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# 231
10-18-2012, 07:38 PM
What would really be nice is the reasonable expectation that everything earned would remain as it is when received rather than having everything nerfed over and over again.

Why bother to "work" for something when they keep changing the rules?
If your post is anything like, "I have a sandwich so you can't be starving" it's time to rethink posting.
Captain
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# 232
10-18-2012, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by thlaylierah View Post
What would really be nice is the reasonable expectation that everything earned would remain as it is when received rather than having everything nerfed over and over again.

Why bother to "work" for something when they keep changing the rules?
Because people make mistakes... I think the Dev sort of explained why they did it. The design of the borg set was based on people running a shield that didn't have a massive cap. I will say they should have seen that people would use half a brain and skirt the design intention I will give you that....

Frankly though if you play a MMO and you see some fantastic gear that seems to good to be true... you can safely assume someone screwed up and someone will correct it down the road. (and lets all be honest with ourselves... a free copy of Hazard Emitters 6 and Transfer Shield Strength 2.5 falls into that category, and heck thats after it's numbers where reduced once already. lol)

I do have to say though I find it funny when people say they "Worked" for there set. LMAO
Yes 2 complete rounds of STFs = Complete Borg Retro set... man what a grind. haha
Captain
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# 233
10-18-2012, 08:22 PM
You didn't do much work to earn the set, 10 EDC and doing 15 minute mission is nothing.
Next the set wasn't working as intended due to dev oversight, Bort has stated that being able to use 3pc set bonus with other shields was never their intention and their earlier fix by reducing set bonuses hasn't done enough to fix this problem.

Don't worry since you will be on even playing field with everyone else since this is a set everybody has. Its not like some ultra-rare item that takes weeks or months to grind out that only you and a few others have is being taken away.
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# 234
10-18-2012, 08:36 PM
I earned my set back when it first came out and the STFs were hard so yes, I did do a lot of work for that set.
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# 235
10-18-2012, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by husanakx View Post
Because people make mistakes... I think the Dev sort of explained why they did it. The design of the borg set was based on people running a shield that didn't have a massive cap.
At the same time, I really don't see the point in a set that has to have heal procs to compensate for a shield that is generally very bad at the very content it was designed for.

The concept of set gear should see you get an overall improvement.

So in my opinion, the original design was illogical.

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# 236
10-19-2012, 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ussultimatum View Post
At the same time, I really don't see the point in a set that has to have heal procs to compensate for a shield that is generally very bad at the very content it was designed for.

The concept of set gear should see you get an overall improvement.

So in my opinion, the original design was illogical.
Not sure that holds...

By itself the shield was not that powerful, although better than every other regenerative shield in game.
A regen shield has the advantage of being very sustainable once you overcome initial alpha spikes.
And once you have the set it becomes VERY VERY good at that.
Regen shields are the least popular, but they are one of three (four if you count standard shields) different valid playstyles.
Commander
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# 237
10-19-2012, 04:44 AM
The change/nerf to the Borg set simply must happen.

3x Borg + X (high capacity shield) -> that's still the magic formula.
The Borg Engine is still the most useful sector space engine. Maco XII comes only close, Omega XII is


It's really about time to change that.

The catch is that nerfing the Borg Set alone isn't the solution.
-> A complete re-balancing of all three major current sets is due.

This is important for the future. I mean we all know the Reman set. The shield is relatively good due to high capacity, but other than that and for looks, it's really not offering anything interesting.

This must change. And if the first step to bring balance and more interesting set powers into the game is to crush the old borg set, oh well, so be it!
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# 238
10-19-2012, 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by longasc View Post
The change/nerf to the Borg set simply must happen.

3x Borg + X (high capacity shield) -> that's still the magic formula.
The Borg Engine is still the most useful sector space engine. Maco XII comes only close, Omega XII is


It's really about time to change that.

The catch is that nerfing the Borg Set alone isn't the solution.
-> A complete re-balancing of all three major current sets is due.

This is important for the future. I mean we all know the Reman set. The shield is relatively good due to high capacity, but other than that and for looks, it's really not offering anything interesting.

This must change. And if the first step to bring balance and more interesting set powers into the game is to crush the old borg set, oh well, so be it!

As I said before this change is worthless unless we see.

Updates to the M.A.C.O / KHG / OMEGA sets

and even more importantly updates and Mk XII versions of Aegis, Jem Hadar and Breen sets. I already assumed they'd update the Reman.
Captain
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# 239
10-19-2012, 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ussultimatum View Post
At the same time, I really don't see the point in a set that has to have heal procs to compensate for a shield that is generally very bad at the very content it was designed for.

The concept of set gear should see you get an overall improvement.

So in my opinion, the original design was illogical.
Honesty the borg shield is very overrated... its the best regen shield in the game... I run the borg shield on many of my sci ships, I have even used it on a few escorts... Not that many people can handle a ship anymore unless they have 15k in shielding. lol

The fact that the shield has 20% less cap is no big deal when you factor in that fact it was designed to get a free on dmg TSS 2.5... makes sense to me if gear has ZERO draw back then it becomes needed and OP and nothing more then a stupid grind.
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# 240
10-19-2012, 05:46 AM
Well if they are going to actually go ahead with the change, then they need to put the borg heal bonuses back to there previous unnerfed state, and I mean way back to before the first nerf to even make it viable.

Even with doing that, the Aegis or even the Dominion set is a better set than the borg one now....
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