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# 21
10-18-2012, 02:51 PM
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Like the STFs, now. You can join a queue and have a mixed-faction team.

Cheers,

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Didn't notice you guys did that finally haha, I gave up on STF's because we wwere forced to mega-grind. Glad to see STF teams can finally be multi-faction.
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# 22
10-18-2012, 02:51 PM
I think the Klingon/Romulan thing comes from a fan misinterpretation, trying to treat individual Klingons from the show as representatives of the culture.

Romulans and Klingons not only worked together, they bred together.

As a rule, all Klingons we know of (ignoring books, or at least taking a limited view of them) either favored Romulans OR Federation. They didn't hate both at the same time unless you try to extrapolate each Klingon's prejudices.

My observation is that, again ignoring books, that:

You have Klingons who like Romulans and hate the Federation. These Klingons equate honor with valor and combat and tend to have no problem reconciling cheating with honor. These are the Klingons who believe honor is found in victory.

You have Klingons who like the Federation and hate Romulans. These Klingons equate honor with fair play and would rather die than cheat. These Klingons tend to see death as the greatest form of honor, regardless of victory.

It's a divide that goes back to Kahless and Morath. And which one was which is a subject of several fairly definitive Klingon novels. (As I recall, the argument is actually that Kahless actually was the ruthless guy we saw in TOS and that the clone from TNG is actually Morath's clone, who performed Kahless' great feats and who Kahless dishonorably stole credit from.)

It is only to the extent that the Federation and Romulans ally that you start finding Klingons who hate both and I think the idea actually is supposed to be that most side with one OR the other.
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# 23
10-18-2012, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by stoleviathan99 View Post
I think the Klingon/Romulan thing comes from a fan misinterpretation, trying to treat individual Klingons from the show as representatives of the culture.

Romulans and Klingons not only worked together, they bred together.

As a rule, all Klingons we know of (ignoring books, or at least taking a limited view of them) either favored Romulans OR Federation. They didn't hate both at the same time unless you try to extrapolate each Klingon's prejudices.

My observation is that, again ignoring books, that:

You have Klingons who like Romulans and hate the Federation. These Klingons equate honor with valor and combat and tend to have no problem reconciling cheating with honor. These are the Klingons who believe honor is found in victory.

You have Klingons who like the Federation and hate Romulans. These Klingons equate honor with fair play and would rather die than cheat. These Klingons tend to see death as the greatest form of honor, regardless of victory.

It's a divide that goes back to Kahless and Morath. And which one was which is a subject of several fairly definitive Klingon novels. (As I recall, the argument is actually that Kahless actually was the ruthless guy we saw in TOS and that the clone from TNG is actually Morath's clone, who performed Kahless' great feats and who Kahless dishonorably stole credit from.)

It is only to the extent that the Federation and Romulans ally that you start finding Klingons who hate both and I think the idea actually is supposed to be that most side with one OR the other.
Very cool read, thx for posting that. I love the idea that there isn't just 1 type of Klingon. They haven't "evolved" into a homogenized race like humans where all we care about is discovery, and expanding human potential.
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# 24
10-18-2012, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by stoleviathan99 View Post
I think the Klingon/Romulan thing comes from a fan misinterpretation, trying to treat individual Klingons from the show as representatives of the culture.

Romulans and Klingons not only worked together, they bred together.

As a rule, all Klingons we know of (ignoring books, or at least taking a limited view of them) either favored Romulans OR Federation. They didn't hate both at the same time unless you try to extrapolate each Klingon's prejudices.

My observation is that, again ignoring books, that:

You have Klingons who like Romulans and hate the Federation. These Klingons equate honor with valor and combat and tend to have no problem reconciling cheating with honor. These are the Klingons who believe honor is found in victory.

You have Klingons who like the Federation and hate Romulans. These Klingons equate honor with fair play and would rather die than cheat. These Klingons tend to see death as the greatest form of honor, regardless of victory.

It's a divide that goes back to Kahless and Morath. And which one was which is a subject of several fairly definitive Klingon novels. (As I recall, the argument is actually that Kahless actually was the ruthless guy we saw in TOS and that the clone from TNG is actually Morath's clone, who performed Kahless' great feats and who Kahless dishonorably stole credit from.)

It is only to the extent that the Federation and Romulans ally that you start finding Klingons who hate both and I think the idea actually is supposed to be that most side with one OR the other.
Very insightful! I just figured the Klingons wanted to be a good example to this new Romulan colony - "We're helping you get your ships back. Now follow our example and start acting honorably!"
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# 25
10-18-2012, 11:03 PM
in TOS, the Klingons were the sneaky cheaters, and the Romulans were the "Death before dishonor" ones.
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# 26
10-18-2012, 11:05 PM
Thanks stoleviathan. I also see it as good for the KDF, that way we can join in activities with the Federation and get more gameplay. Also makes it easier for Branflakes when he does his get together's in game and not have to worry about setting up anything for the die-hard KDF fans who show up.

Ideally someday we would have 3 full factions with meaningful PVP, perhaps even a full blown FvF (faction vs faction zone). Ok I will wake up...
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# 27
10-19-2012, 02:35 AM
Sooo... no Dilithium as reward?

yah that will keep me interested... exactly as long as it takes to max out that Reputation syste...

oh Reputation System requires to pay dilithium!

Epic plan, make them play content that does not give Dilithium, take Dilithium every step of the way.


Cryptic what do you not understand about "TIME BASED CURRENCY" i spend time, i get it, that's the Deal.
I don't ask for 1440 dilithium for each 5 minute map you produce... but heck add 250 dilithium and i feel like i'm progressing somewhere towards my 8000 per day.
If DOff assignments give Dilithium in that range for a double click, why not give it when i actually PLAY the game itself?
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# 28
10-19-2012, 03:40 AM
My 2 cents:

Storywise, I appreciate the cooperation between the Federation and (its future members!) Klingons and Romulans. These powers are only at war with each other because of Iconian/Undine subversion. Pax Galactica!

Personally, I'd also like to see Dilithium added as a reward. There are a number of missions where you can earn it in sufficient quantities, but it requires travelling around alot.
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# 29
10-19-2012, 03:45 AM
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My 2 cents:

Storywise, I appreciate the cooperation between the Federation and (its future members!) Klingons and Romulans. These powers are only at war with each other because of Iconian/Undine subversion. Pax Galactica!

Personally, I'd also like to see Dilithium added as a reward. There are a number of missions where you can earn it in sufficient quantities, but it requires travelling around alot.
Yeah - and that's the sad thing. So far as the story content goes, by the end of it all of the factions KNOW that the war was a result of Iconian/Undine subversion.

But apparently they decided to continue shooting at each other anyway.....

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# 30
10-19-2012, 04:54 AM
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Does anyone not think that ending the war between the Federation and Klingon Empire is a good idea?


I think ending the war is a bad idea. At least ending it the way the game seems to be going that is.

Ending it without ever truely building it up to a point that allowed the player to work through the reasons why the war is what it is, overcome those reasons through working the storyline missions and then in the finality of endgame finish the war to fight the greater foe.

We as players have been in a war we never truelly got to play through, and now it seems just becuase the storyline has been ignored so long its gonna be ok to just walk away from that undeveloped storyline and just change gears for no other reason, offer no wrap-up to the lose ends that STO is riddled with before moving ahead to the future.

As to the whole, The Klingon people is divided on thier hate of the feds or thier hate of the romulans.
"The IP shows this".
I disagree.
The IP has never shown the Klingon people getting buddy-buddy with the Romulans unless said Klingon or KDF house was working with the Romulans to iether gain power in the High council through treachery or to undermine the existing ruling structure to place themselves in the seat of power.
We fought alongside but did not trust them in the Dominion war. Why would we suddenly go soft hearted and trust them now? Working like a Missionary institution to help rather than be ourselves and attempt to conquer while the time is ripe?

No, I say that the game and its backstory is being twisted to whatever the Devs thinks makes thier most recent addition easier and to hell with the game past stories left on thier ear becuase of it.

"The Klingons will offer no treaty, no aid, and no hand that is not holding a blade," Chancellor Martok, quote"

I guess JmPok is an Undine becuase the KDF is sure not acting Klingon at all. Frankly, we are just being portrayed like the federation even against the basic viewpoint and ideals of our own society.
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