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Ensign
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 15
# 11
10-19-2012, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ghostyandfrosty View Post
Mini the Modern Bop's best use is as a science deliverance engine. It's bee that way for a long long time.

The newer fleet bops are better in every way mind you. But if you're going to fly bop that's really it's best use, sadly.
I see what you're saying here but I don't completely agree. The BoP is best used as a science deliverance engine only because of the sever lack of science ships on the KDF side. If you want to fly a sci ship on the KDF side you have very little to choose from. It's universal bridge slots give it the abliity to fill in nicely as a sci bird but the BoP has always been about flexibility. Well flexibilty and the battle cloak but flexibility for sure. It can be nasty as a tac ship too but I'm not sure about eng.
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A'jora
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# 12
10-19-2012, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by sybok View Post
I see what you're saying here but I don't completely agree. The BoP is best used as a science deliverance engine only because of the sever lack of science ships on the KDF side. If you want to fly a sci ship on the KDF side you have very little to choose from. It's universal bridge slots give it the abliity to fill in nicely as a sci bird but the BoP has always been about flexibility. Well flexibilty and the battle cloak but flexibility for sure. It can be nasty as a tac ship too but I'm not sure about eng.
Unless future kdf sci ships have cloak and DHCs the bop will still be a strong sci deliverance engine. (notice I didn't say battlecloak just cloak. )
Ensign
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# 13
10-19-2012, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ghostyandfrosty View Post
Unless future kdf sci ships have cloak and DHCs the bop will still be a strong sci deliverance engine. (notice I didn't say battlecloak just cloak. )
Well after they gave a BC to the KDF vet destroyer you never know what cryptic will do.
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A'jora
Captain
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# 14
10-19-2012, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by thishorizon View Post
yo mini

i love my b'rel. although my klingon main tac is rocking the fleet vorcha right now, i have my b'rel in the hangar ready to go when i feel like a stroll though kerrat. its the perfect kerrat ship, but in the arenas it pops like a shuttle sometimes....so, i built her really engie heavy to keep up....check it out:

Qen Oy (tac) - IKS Soghloch Et

Disruptor DBB accx3
disruptor DHC accx3
2 x Quantum Torps accx2 crtD
2 disruptor turrets of "meh"

KHG shields, engine.
Borg def

Aux batteries, Subspace field modulator

1 x Neutronium, 1 x plas leech, 1 RCS
2 x shield gen, 1 x borg console
3 x Disruptor coil

3 purple torp cooldown doffs
2 purple evasive cooldown doffs


TT1, HY2, BO3, APO3
TT1, HY2, BO3
EPTS1, AUX2SIF1
EPTS1, RSP1


typical BOP mindset for piloting. all spike and agility with no silly sci frills. evasive every 25 seconds lines up with aux2sif a lot believe it or not, which hardens my hull along with the subspace field modulator (devidian missions i think?) for alternate hull hardening for battlecloak.

a BO3 and HY2 every 15 seconds. boom boom. extra torps flying out all the time. keep your distance once and a while and just fire off streams of HY quantums on the focus target of another ship.

epts up all the time..... RSP to get you another 6 seconds to hopefully get out and cloak if you've been smacked around by sci CC too much.


i like this build. been flying it for over a year. land the torps and the overload at the same time between your target's tac team cycle and watch them melt.

have fun kill bad guys
W/the Vet ship you can TT, HY2, BO3 APO3

ET, RSP, EPTS3

EPTW, Aux2Batt1

TSS1, HE2

TB (or other utility)

3xTech, 2x Torp

Have an extra rear weapon slot, lotus/shield vamp, BC, slower turnrate/1 less console, 1xtra device slot, more hull and built in +30 ACC so you can dump some of the ACC mods for CritH or CritD.

Or basically use your setup w/an xtra ens Boff and rear weapon mount and the built in +30 ACC and much more hull.

Other than some Sci oriented builds the Vet ship, Fleet Torkaht, or even Karfi wins out anymore. This doesn't include the Lotto ship options either. 2k Zpoints per ship is too much imo for the limited benefits of the Fleet Raiders. Imo, even the Fl Destroyers and Escorts are behind most of the Z-Store/Fed Fleet Escort options.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,392
# 15
10-19-2012, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ghostyandfrosty View Post
Mini the Modern Bop's best use is as a science deliverance engine. It's bee that way for a long long time.

The newer fleet bops are better in every way mind you. But if you're going to fly bop that's really it's best use, sadly.
None of the new Fleet ships have the EBC which Sci builds take best advantage of imo. If the 16k hull version had EBC it may be worth tinkering with.
Captain
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# 16
10-19-2012, 08:40 AM
interesting.

will have to check that out, grabbed the fleet vorcha for the boff layout but i love the quick strike ability of the bop so much i always have it ready to go.

thanks man
Captain
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# 17
10-19-2012, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by thishorizon View Post
interesting.

will have to check that out, grabbed the fleet vorcha for the boff layout but i love the quick strike ability of the bop so much i always have it ready to go.

thanks man
Np, fyi it's like have 2 less consoles when using the ship's console. Also, I forgot to mention it has 4 Tac consoles compared to most of the raiders having 3.

I use an RCS w/Omega engines & shields and @ high Engine power it's ~mid 30s turn for me w/o taking into account shield procs and Boff/Captain powers.
Ensign
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 18
10-19-2012, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by thishorizon View Post
interesting.

will have to check that out, grabbed the fleet vorcha for the boff layout but i love the quick strike ability of the bop so much i always have it ready to go.

thanks man
This.
I'm in the exact same situation. I have the fleet vorcha sitting in my hangar bay collecting dust. Maybe I'll play with it a little and see if I like it.
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A'jora
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# 19
10-19-2012, 08:59 AM
I will never park my fleet vorcha.

I'll just have to swing harder and better to put vet ships into the ground
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 20
10-19-2012, 09:07 AM
My B'rel Retrofit torpedo boat can dish out some good damage.

It's the only ship I fly on my KDF character.
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