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# 131
10-19-2012, 08:59 AM
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I'm now very glad i couldnt afford an LTS. It feels like a total utter screw job at this point and Gene Roddenberry is rolling over in his ****ing grave. (proverbially)
I strongly disagree with the doff price changes but Roddenberry would not be spinning in his grave, figuratively, literally, or any other adverb.

Roddenberry didn't come up with Star Trek because he was some socialist Utopian hippie type that actually wanted the future to conform to his vision. He came up with Trek to get PAID.

Let me give you an example of how badly Gene wanted to get paid. Did you know that the opening theme music from TOS actually has lyrics that were written by Roddenberry? Know why he wrote lyrics? So he could claim half of the music composers royalty. He (luckily) backed off from using the lyrics, but it goes to show that what some people think of as Saint Gene was actually just a Hollywood producer who had a good idea and was more than happy to get what he could get out of it financially.

Nothing wrong with wanting to get paid either, but Cryptic is taking the dilithium surcharge thing just a bit far.
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# 132
10-19-2012, 09:03 AM
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I strongly disagree with the doff price changes but Roddenberry would not be spinning in his grave, figuratively, literally, or any other adverb.

Roddenberry didn't come up with Star Trek because he was some socialist Utopian hippie type that actually wanted the future to conform to his vision. He came up with Trek to get PAID.

Let me give you an example of how badly Gene wanted to get paid. Did you know that the opening theme music from TOS actually has lyrics that were written by Roddenberry? Know why he wrote lyrics? So he could claim half of the music composers royalty. He (luckily) backed off from using the lyrics, but it goes to show that what some people think of as Saint Gene was actually just a Hollywood producer who had a good idea and was more than happy to get what he could get out of it financially.

Nothing wrong with wanting to get paid either, but Cryptic is taking the dilithium surcharge thing just a bit far.
There comes a point when getting too greedy will stop you getting paid.

Just like lyrics to the theme song would have cheesed the TOS to death and probably not have got past it's network pilot
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# 133
10-19-2012, 09:05 AM
Some developer-level commentary on this subject in the thread would go a long way towards conveying some good will to the masses.
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# 134
10-19-2012, 09:09 AM
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There comes a point when getting too greedy will stop you getting paid.

Just like lyrics to the theme song would have cheesed the TOS to death and probably not have got past it's network pilot
Totally agree.

Just find it funny that people venerate Roddenberry as if he was some sort of religious Prophet, instead of recognizing that he was simply in it for the profit.

Seemed like a nice guy, who was very creative and came up with something I have enjoyed my entire life. He didn't, however, lay hands on the sick, walk on water, and certainly would not have turned down his share of lockbox proceeds, if he were entitled to any.
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# 135
10-19-2012, 09:58 AM
Random point, but it might help if you owned a few of the "making of books". I've got a couple. Roddenberry was no saint, but to suggest he didn;t inject a lot of his worldveiw into things is wrong. Dosen't mean they exactly matched his worldveiw in every respect, (for example AFAIK he saw the lack of money in trek as a natural result of having somthing like replicators. When everything is effectivlly free you naturally are going to see money die out), but to suggest he came up with it entierly for the money is as wrong as to suggets he was some saint.
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# 136
10-19-2012, 10:06 AM
The costs are ridiculous. Actually no, I think we've gone straight to ludicrous!

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# 137
10-19-2012, 10:42 AM
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Some developer-level commentary on this subject in the thread would go a long way towards conveying some good will to the masses.
What could they say that won't be rotating cow puckie?
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# 138
10-19-2012, 10:44 AM
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As noted, the Dilithium prices have been increased, yes.
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# 139
10-19-2012, 11:12 AM
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I strongly disagree with the doff price changes but Roddenberry would not be spinning in his grave, figuratively, literally, or any other adverb.

Roddenberry didn't come up with Star Trek because he was some socialist Utopian hippie type that actually wanted the future to conform to his vision. He came up with Trek to get PAID.

Let me give you an example of how badly Gene wanted to get paid. Did you know that the opening theme music from TOS actually has lyrics that were written by Roddenberry? Know why he wrote lyrics? So he could claim half of the music composers royalty. He (luckily) backed off from using the lyrics, but it goes to show that what some people think of as Saint Gene was actually just a Hollywood producer who had a good idea and was more than happy to get what he could get out of it financially.

Nothing wrong with wanting to get paid either, but Cryptic is taking the dilithium surcharge thing just a bit far.
You're not thinking about this the way i am.

Roddenberry wanted to get paid yes. (who doesnt) But let me tell you something, he would have been deeply involved had he lived in a project like this and to see this game become what it has become so FAR gone from what he invisioned for this universe he'd be pretty damned disgusted i'd think.

I got no problem with a company wanting to make money. No problem at all. I do have a problem with price gouging, a storyline without direction, and changes that make no sense to a gaming populace that better than 75% will freely and gladly admit to someone on the street they're a trekkie. I dont consider the man a Saint i do however consider him a visionary who gave the world when it honestly needed it a view of the future that didnt necessarily include nuclear bombs. That Humanity could survive the cold war and come out the better for it on the other side.

Bran's been doing some if not damage control then he's been answering questions the devs need to answer. We have no word on this on why its happening or what it's going to mean. There are HUGE changes here that arent for the betterment of the game.

Diafpwe: 'The outcry of the playerbase has forced us to look at the economics of what we are suggesting. After going over what this would do in terms of the dilithium economy we realized what kind of idea this was and we will be scrapping these changes'

Or at least a reason as to WHY. These changes were unlisted, and probably hopefully going to be unnoticed. Well that aint the case. We saw them and we're not happy. We need answers.

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# 140
10-19-2012, 11:26 AM
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Diafpwe: 'The outcry of the playerbase has forced us to look at the economics of what we are suggesting. After going over what this would do in terms of the dilithium economy we realized what kind of idea this was and we will be scrapping these changes'

Or at least a reason as to WHY. These changes were unlisted, and probably hopefully going to be unnoticed. Well that aint the case. We saw them and we're not happy. We need answers.
Is that an actual quote that you're citing, or a hypothetical one that you'd like to see posted?

I agree that the answers are DESPERATELY needed. I did some very crude math on how this would play out in terms of cash, and, well, let's just say I don't think anyone is going to be getting anything higher than a T2 base if this comes in and sticks.
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