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# 1 It's all about the Money.
10-19-2012, 01:03 PM
Just curious (whether anyone actually has the answer I don't know, but I'm asking anyway).

Does anyone know (or can anyone make a fair guess) at just how much Cryptic Studios is worth? Lets say that someone won some money (be that a lottery win, casino win ect) and decided to remove Cryptic from Perfect World and revert back to a stand-alone company.

Thoughts on how much the process would cost? Essentially to purchase Cryptic Studios so you could do what you want with it.

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# 2
10-19-2012, 01:05 PM
PWE cashed out 50,000,000 for them... You can bet PWE wants at least 50% more than that.

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# 3
10-19-2012, 01:09 PM
You can only remove Cryptic from Perfect World IF Perfect World is willing to sell Cryptic. Perfect World bought Cryptic for $50,000,000.00. So don't expect them to part with Cryptic for anything less than $50,000,000.01. Frankly, I would expect it to be significantly more than that. Like more towards $100,000,000.00. I doubt they would let it go for anything less than half again what they paid for it.
Those of us who see things for what they are need to get it through our heads that no matter how much we rant about it, THEY WON'T CHANGE!. We can either live with it, or we can go find some other game to play until it too embraces the same tactics. The reality is, STO is what it is, and it will not be anything else, no matter how much some of us may want it to be...
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# 4
10-19-2012, 01:15 PM
No offense, but if I was going to spend that much on a game company, I'd just start one from scratch.

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# 5
10-19-2012, 01:19 PM
Yea, but he did'n ask "How much money would it take to make a new game studio", did he?
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# 6
10-19-2012, 01:23 PM
PWE paid $50 million and has spent millions more funding the development of NWNs. Even if PWE were willing to sell, which everyone knows they won't do until well after NWN launches, their stockholders would not want them to sell for less then what has been put into the company.

CBS would need to approve the sale and would be within their rights to void the STO license contract if PWE sold Cryptic. I would not be surprised to see the same agreement with Hasbro for the NWN license. That means any sale could leave Cryptic's new buyer with only Champions Online. That is certainly not worth even $5 million.
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# 7
10-19-2012, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by collegepark2151 View Post
No offense, but if I was going to spend that much on a game company, I'd just start one from scratch.
Considering how much it costs to produce MMOs at this time $50 million is quite cheap for 3 established games. Bioware has put somewhere between $100 and $200 million into SWTOR, alone. I seriously doubt any new studio could produce a comparable game to STO for less then what Cryptic is worth.
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# 8
10-19-2012, 01:32 PM
yes it is all about the money. that is why i go to work.
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# 9
10-19-2012, 01:45 PM
ok, ok. I'm an engineer, not a game designer.

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# 10
10-21-2012, 06:22 AM
[quote=anazonda;6169491]PWE cashed out 50,000,000 for them... You can bet PWE wants at least 50% more than that.
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You can only remove Cryptic from Perfect World IF Perfect World is willing to sell Cryptic.
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Originally Posted by sirsitsalot View Post
Frankly, I would expect it to be significantly more than that. Like more towards $100,000,000.00. I doubt they would let it go for anything less than half again what they paid for it.
You're both probably right.

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You can only remove Cryptic from Perfect World IF Perfect World is willing to sell Cryptic.
Blackmail?

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No offense, but if I was going to spend that much on a game company, I'd just start one from scratch.
But if you wanted to create a game called Star Trek: Online, you could hardly go out and do that with an already existing one in the works.

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CBS would need to approve the sale and would be within their rights to void the STO license contract if PWE sold Cryptic. I would not be surprised to see the same agreement with Hasbro for the NWN license. That means any sale could leave Cryptic's new buyer with only Champions Online. That is certainly not worth even $5 million.
Maybe I should have asked, specifically how much it would cost to 'buy' Star Trek: Online.
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