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# 241
10-24-2012, 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by meimeitoo View Post

N.B. Out of curiosity, what's the alleged issue with flow capacitors? I have 9 points in them. And other than siphon energy working better, and my Assimilated Tractor Beam draining a bit more, this is the first time I've heard someone refer to flow capacitors being some sort of problem.

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...ight=doff+flow

So instead of them fixing the defects first to see how the survivability affects escorts, they further nerf a working set that has already been nerfed instead of waiting to see how it performs after the bfi doff nerf. Again, cryptic missing the mark and why I am not surprised.
my new saying is "cryptic made me do it" in lieu of the the "devil"
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# 242
10-24-2012, 12:26 AM
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And you and Borticus will continue to watch set-usage like a hawk, and not rest until every set is about equal, right?

And the sad part is: you probably think your talk about 'equality' makes you very reasonable. You're not. Without there being a clear 'best' in the game, there's no longer any good reason to strive for anything else beyond what sets you already have; no need to pug thru hours of Elite STFs, cuz, courtesy of husanakx, why get just another set that's, meh, just about equal to the one you already have? Way to kill the game!
Hours of STFS?

The borg retro is achievable via 1.5 round of STFs... assuming you don't get a few lucky chip roles. lol I don't know about you but I have put a retro borg set on my newly leveled toons in a total of about 40 min of play time.

Yes though your right... the borg set nerfing will KILL the game... lol Cause it didn't exist for 2 years prior to the borg sets release. lmao
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# 243
10-24-2012, 12:28 AM
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^^ This.

Personally, I *love* it when people find often very creative ways to tank. Some of these methods have become common practice now, so it's easy to forget what ingenuity fueled the original setups.

And it's really sad some devs watch what people come up with, only so they can nerf it (and no, I'm not even talking about the Borg set). And for me, that's a sure game-killer. It's like some dev looking over your shoulder, saying: "I love it how you all get creative and find ways to tank we never even anticipated! But should your setup ever get successful, we will nerf you!" Because then I'm like: Why even bother?

N.B. Out of curiosity, what's the alleged issue with flow capacitors? I have 9 points in them. And other than siphon energy working better, and my Assimilated Tractor Beam draining a bit more, this is the first time I've heard someone refer to flow capacitors being some sort of problem.
Flow cap boosts the level of healing given by both borg procs as well as BFI doffs.
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# 244
10-24-2012, 03:22 AM
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Hours of STFS?

The borg retro is achievable via 1.5 round of STFs... assuming you don't get a few lucky chip roles. lol I don't know about you but I have put a retro borg set on my newly leveled toons in a total of about 40 min of play time.

Yes though your right... the borg set nerfing will KILL the game... lol Cause it didn't exist for 2 years prior to the borg sets release. lmao
I wasn't talking about the current Borg set, silly. I was talking about potentially new and better gear to strive for in general. You know, the better kind we won't be getting if you get your way.
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# 245
10-24-2012, 03:42 AM
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http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...ight=doff+flow

So instead of them fixing the defects first to see how the survivability affects escorts, they further nerf a working set that has already been nerfed instead of waiting to see how it performs after the bfi doff nerf. Again, cryptic missing the mark and why I am not surprised.
Thanks for the info.

Good thing I have 9 points in Shield Emitters too. :)
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# 246
10-24-2012, 03:57 AM
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Sure, the retro borg set has a nifty, "OP" proc, and it's "OP" because everyone uses it...
Is it? As I just heard someone say in a thread about Flow Capacitors, that's like reasoning "Everyone in an Escort uses DHCs, therefore DHCs are clearly OP!"

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But what else would you expect? The majority of people will always use what's "best" for a particular situation..
Exactemundo. Seeking the optimum, in and by itself, is never alone reason enough to call something overpowered -- even if everyone uses the same thing.
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# 247
10-24-2012, 04:41 AM
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I wasn't talking about the current Borg set, silly. I was talking about potentially new and better gear to strive for in general. You know, the better kind we won't be getting if you get your way.
Well as someone who likes PvP and PvP only... I can say that gear that is > = crap games.

Every game ever that has gear that is designed to be Uber... end up ghost towns pretty quick.

This one perhaps would survive anyway off RP player revenue.

I am not saying that based on my own lack of gear. As far as PvP goes (which is frankly all I give 2 shakes about)... as soon as Devs start releasing uber gear what happens is power creep like there is no tommorow. 2 months down the line new players are only 2 months behind... however 2 months after that and another new set later... and new players are now 4 months behind... ect ect... never ending circle.

Cryptic has already started down that road with lockbox ships yes that is true. However I think Cryptic would rather try to keep gear as balanced as can be possible to keep that issue from popping up.

It is why I am against PvP gear of anykind... PvP gear destroys games no question. New players either feel they can't compete (sometimes not justified sometimes very justified) with players that have ground out there uber gear... and in some games (Rift before they toned it down) you could litterly be grinding (loosing a LOT) for months before your caught up to the players that started before you. The sets have been tolerable in STO because they are mostly easy to acquire.... there is no set in this game you can't get a mk xi version of in one day... mk xii if your lucky as quickly. Upcoming sets will be no harder to aquire... and if they are and they start the slippery slop that is UBER gear... whats left of this games pvp will die in weeks... and to be honest All but the RP PvE players will be gone 4 months later.

I'm sorry but there is NOT one set in this game at this moment that is so hard to aquire that it deserves > stats... yet one set does have > stats (because currently you can ditch the one piece that doesn't have > stats).... forcing the use of the entire set is a good move.

I understand that you and I don't agree on that and obviously never will... anyway don't worry they people that work for Cryptic mostly agree with me... so its all good. lol
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# 248
10-24-2012, 04:43 AM
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Is it? As I just heard someone say in a thread about Flow Capacitors, that's like reasoning "Everyone in an Escort uses DHCs, therefore DHCs are clearly OP!"
Well yes frankly they are OP....

But the talk around that has mostly revolved around buffs to regular DC... as they have no real point.
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# 249
10-24-2012, 04:48 AM
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I understand that you and I don't agree on that and obviously never will... anyway don't worry they people that work for Cryptic mostly agree with me... so its all good. ;) lol
If the advent of lockboxes and other P2W items are any indication, then someone may be grossly overestimating his own importance and influence. :)
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# 250
10-24-2012, 04:50 AM
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Exactemundo. Seeking the optimum, in and by itself, is never alone reason enough to call something overpowered -- even if everyone uses the same thing.
Yes you are correct... that is not the only thing a dev should look at when determining if a skill or item is OP.

However it is a good indicator....

Yes everyone uses EPTS... frankly it is OP
Yes everyone uses DHC... ditto OP
Yes everyone uses a min of 2 piece borg... Yes OP
Yes most people run BFI doffs... yes there OP.
Yes Everyone uses tac team... yes its OP.

Of course you can't simply say everyone runs it so its over powered. However you can take that as a reason to look at it... BFI doffs are a no brainer... parse any match / map that has someone useing bfi doffs and it becomes clear quickly that they account for over 50% of ALL healing. So they are obviously an issue.

EPTS... yes it boosts Resist 22.5% for 30 seconds, in its version 1... that is a bit to much to be honest... however the game is mostly designed around that and changing every DPS skill and every NPC is likely to much of a headache to fix... so likely Cryptic will leave it be. (still it could be done... they could remove the +18 bonus from version 1... and the higher ones from the other versons and boost natural resist from shield power by 1 per 4 points... meaning shields at 50 power would gaing 12.5% natural resist... and at 100 an extra 25 over what they have now.... possible but unlikely they correct epts)

Tac Team... ya everyone knows why its OP... 10 seconds of tactial buff clearing vs 5 seconds from every other flavor of team... is badly designed. The shield spin... yes people went from doing 20-40% of there Entire DPS to hull.... to a game where 5-10% of total dmg hits hull... yes it completely upended the balance for DPS to Healing skills... they will likely do something to this one... who knows what/

So those are the things that I think almost everyone will agree are OP... and yes they are things most everyone uses. Cryptic can pull up metrics anytime they want... seeing that 95% of players use one set tells them something have no doubt. lol

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