Captain
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# 61
10-24-2012, 01:35 PM
So we can still get dilithium by playing stfs...thats good .Since I have all space and ground mk XII sets I have nothing to complain
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# 62
10-24-2012, 01:36 PM
[quote=dastahl;6242271]
- The goal of the conversion is to retain "purchasing power" as close to what it was previously. We looked at the amount of items needed to obtain gear sets and set out to ensure that if you had enough items to get a specific gear piece or gear set, the conversion would be do its best to retain that purchasing power in the new system. Keep in mind that the way you obtain MACO/HONOR/OMEGA sets is going to be different because it will no longer be in a store, and will instead be via projects. So just having a conversion rate would not necessarily help you decide whether to cash out yet or not. The way you obtain dilithium and gear is changing in this system and you'll be able to see most of those changes on Tribble.

- The conversion will be different for everyone which is why we aren't posting a chart. When you get your crate, it will tell your character specifically how much Omega Marks, Borg Neural Processors, and Dilithium your items were converted to. If you are worried that the exchange may not be to your liking, then you'll have to make the call whether to spend or not. For the most part we are posting this blog to give you enough time to make that call for yourself.

- Due to the fact that some players have enough items being converted to max out the new system, we chose to withhold the conversion crate until the character hits tier 5 in Omega for a few reasons. We wanted player to have the choice at each tier how to spend their resources. We wanted players to be able to make choices about which captain power they want at each tier. We wanted to retain player's purchasing power by holding back the converted items until they can be spent on the Gear Sets. This prevents players from spending the resources they'd saved up for Omega Gear Sets on something else without realizing it.

- The time involved to rank up the Omega Fleet Rep will require a few months of projects, but the resources required should be easily obtainable within limits of standard game play. It also allows us to introduce the Reputation system without an entire subset of the game population skipping it via auto-completion - which isn't fun or in the nature of the design. This is about rebooting how the STFs should have worked in the first place, while giving players the purchasing power to be in similar footing when they finish it.

- There is a subset of players who will have one or two pieces that now have two choices. A) they have until early November to try to get the remaining pieces. B) wait until after Season 7 releases, and then level up the Omega Fleet and have a much clearer and easier path to getting the gear they are missing. Once again, we do not want some players "Skipping" the new Reputation system by getting a free pass because of the STF's they've run. Players will get a conversion crate, but we want all players to make choices at each tier about which powers they select.
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We all understand that the conversion will be different for everyone, since everyone has a different number of EDCs, Rare / Proto salvage and Tech saved. All we're asking for is how many EDCs make a mark, or how many rares etc.

For those of us that might actually have enough marks to 'max out the system' as you put it Why not give the marks out to begin with? Likely those particular players have so much loot right now because they have the sets already, and the rep system is gated by the amount of time that it takes to get missions completed and will take months as you say to get the system completed, so why put what we've already earned into MK 12 pension fund until we're old enough? You've already mentioned that we'd have to run the missions ourselves to unlock the tiers, so we wouldn't be SKIPPING the reputation system at all. Why not just give us the converted new currencies at the start when we start the system?

I'm also curious, at present there is a method of converting excess stf currencies into something useful, like dilithium, will we be able to convert our marks and neurals into dilithium as well?
Cryptic Studios Team
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# 63
10-24-2012, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by partizan81 View Post
Any comments on either dilithium drops for Fleet Actions, and/or a dilithium cap increase?
We are adding a slew of new ways to get Dilithium including most of the Fleet Actions. The Dilithium Refining cap is staying in tact for now, but may increase by the time we hit Season 8.
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Ok soo

season 7 blog is up and dstahl officially said it.

WE ARE forced to pay dilithium to get our sets.
and ofcourse not a small amount eaither.
we need to pay give or take 200.000 dilithium per set wich is 8.000 per day
wich is 25 days per Set.
soooo how exactly is this a improvement by cryptic sadly i cannot see it ?

ohh yes i can CREDIT CARDS. basicly if you want the armor set you need to whip out the credit card and buy zen. and aloot of it.

hmm

allright this is not makeing me feel any better dstahl it really is not.

pay dilithium to get the omega status to level 5 will proboly cost 100.000~~
then 200.000~~ to get a set

hmm i read somewhere in the blog about not playing 12 hours a day. well i guess you failed there ?

couse if you dont play 12 hours a day i dont see anyone get the set....

really come on couldent you just have increased the drop rate for FREE instead of forceing us pay ?

hmmmmm

can branflakes or dstahl perhaps comment or tell us EXACTLY IN TO THE 100% detail how much dilithium it will take to get 1 complete set of MK XII set

and the TIME estimate you had in mind.
please keep in mind i got 6 toons wich 5 of them is full mk XII. i will take ur estimated time into my database vs my own play to see if your so called math of 60% less stf will aktually be less couse i cannot see it.

you claim ur math is 60% less stfs needed but when you say dilithium cost added i see 60% INCREASED stf needed.

couse 25 days to get 1 set sounds hmmm not really funny.

2 days allrihgt 1 week maybe. but 25 days ? no

btw it was rude you moved my other topic since it wasent part of the other guys topic just so you could sweep it under the rugg.
If only they fix Cloaking bugg *new message BOOM decloacked.

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# 65
10-24-2012, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by dastahl View Post
A few more comments to address concerns

- We are not taking existing gear sets away from you. Everything that you've unlocked via accolades or purchased via the stores will remain on your character. The only thing being converted are the 42 currencies used in the STFs which are being aggregated into 2 easy to understand currencies: Omega Marks which are earned from Borg related content, and Borg Nueral Processors which are commodies gained from running Elite STFs.

- Once we have the final conversion numbers established, we will be updating TRIBBLE with the conversion script so that any character can log in individually and see the amount of Omega Marks, Borg Neural Processors, and Dilithium they will be receiving. This way you'll see exactly what each character will get and you can decide to cash out for Dilithium or not before Season 7.

- It is important to note that under the existing STF system, you have a very random chance of getting the gear you want and have no idea how long it will take you to get a specific piece of gear due to the random chance of the loot drop. We know for a fact that some players have been trying for a year and still don't have the drop to complete their set. If we did nothing, it may take another year of playing STFs to get the set. In the new system you will know exactly how long it will take to get the gear and instead of leaving it to chance (which could be a really long time), you will now have a finish line in site. It may take a few months, but that is a definite versus the randomness of maybe in a year. By saving your conversion crate until you can actually spend it on gear, it assures that you don't spend it and leave yourself short to get the item you've been trying to get for so long.

- We are listening to feedback and will make appropriate changes to the system before Season 7 goes live as we feel are appropriate.
The part I have a problem is that those of us that do have multiple stf xii sets it seems redundant for us to have to start out where everyone else is. There should be some kind of gauge atleast with accolades earned with the system already where those of us with time invested should not have to start out at the same place of those who have not put in the time that some of us have put in.

Well the slew of new ways if my fed toons which is about half the size of my kdf toon collection... I might be interested in playing the fed ones more if there are decent ways to get dilithium on these feds too. The limitations of the dailies that have been in for 2+ years and b'tran sort of soured my wanting to play feds. So this would be a great change.

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# 66
10-24-2012, 01:39 PM
Thank you for the clarifications Dan.
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# 67
10-24-2012, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by dastahl View Post
We are adding a slew of new ways to get Dilithium including most of the Fleet Actions. The Dilithium Refining cap is staying in tact for now, but may increase by the time we hit Season 8.
Oh, well.... nicely played I think the system will work if dilithium is more easily accessible, which is sounds like you have covered, I'd just be concerned at this point that people will cap daily too quickly and that will stem their progression. But, more dilithium from more sources is a great idea, glad you guys are moving forward with that!
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# 68
10-24-2012, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by dastahl View Post
- We know for a fact that some players have been trying for a year and still don't have the drop to complete their set. If we did nothing, it may take another year of playing STFs to get the set. In the new system you will know exactly how long it will take to get the gear and instead of leaving it to chance (which could be a really long time), you will now have a finish line in site. It may take a few months, but that is a definite versus the randomness of maybe in a year. By saving your conversion crate until you can actually spend it on gear, it assures that you don't spend it and leave yourself short to get the item you've been trying to get for so long.
This doesn't make sense, especially for the kind of player you use in your example. So a person like that would probably also have a few duplicate prototype techs, multiple duplicate rare techs, and hundreds and hundreds of spare EDC saved up from their attempt to get that coveted last piece of tech.

So you withhold all the fruits of their labor so they can, what, buy ten copies of that last piece when they finally get there? Unless you give us such a horrible conversion rate that it would only amount to one piece of MK XII gear, it seems unnecessarily cruel to not let the player use his prior efforts to help him level up his Reputation. You're essentially saying, "That entire year you spent trying to get that item has been a total waste. BUT, if you do it again, we'll guarantee you your tech."

Not much of a deal
Cryptic Studios Team
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# 69
10-24-2012, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by zeuxidemus001 View Post
The part I have a problem is that those of us that do have multiple stf xii sets it seems redundant for us to have to start out where everyone else is. There should be some kind of gauge atleast with accolades earned with the system already where those of us with time invested should not have to start out at the same place of those who have not put in the time that some of us have put in.
This is a new game system much like the Fleet System was a new system in Season 6. We did not give existing Fleets credit for having played Fleet Actions prior to Season 6 - everyone started from the same point.

Similarly, the Reputation system is a new way to earn Captain advancement and will be expanded on in future updates. Season 7 introduces Omega and Romulans, but there will be more reputations and rewards added later. We want everyone to experience the Reputation system on equal footing and be able to make smart decisions about which powers they want their captain to have at each tier. In the case of the Romulan reputation, we want players to experience the mission and cutscene unlocks that occur at each tier that are representative of the ongoing relationship the player has with the Romulans. So we are not trying to say "go do it again". We are trying to say, we appreciate you've played a lot of STFs and continue to do so. We are now adding additional rewards that you can obtain as you continue to play STFs - plus we are giving you a definite answer as to "when am I going to get that last piece of gear I need?!"

Now you will know.
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# 70
10-24-2012, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by dastahl View Post

- We are listening to feedback and will make appropriate changes to the system before Season 7 goes live as we feel are appropriate.
No you are not.

If you were... we'd have fixes to long-standing bugs. We would have playable content beyond grind maps, we would not have an 8K grind-cap nor would we have yet another grind-sink.


Dstahl, you are many things (Game producer, business man, fairly nice fellow overall)-- but a listener you are not.

We the fans... are telling you OMG THIS SUCKS.

It's no longer just a small cross-section on the forum. People in TTS, Zone, STORP, and other channels are unhappy. People I've talked with in game after PUGs are unhappy.


Dstahl, you are NOT listening to your player base. Our feedback means NOTHING to Cryptic.


I would be more willing to accept the upcoming changes if there were some new story or plot advancements rather than grind-map spoonfuls.



Said my piece now, take it as you will, sir.
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