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# 461
10-26-2012, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by levi3 View Post
I am the only one so fair that Cryptic is aware who has a Solo built Tier 3 starbase.

I do not have 11 alt - I don't know where that figure came from.

I have 25 characters.

10 are at max Cxp across the board which allowed me to game massive amounts of Fleet marks from the conversion.

They are also maxed to 400 slots - with most carrying only 300 - allowing space to fill up with whites - which i then provide to the exchange.

i provide hundreds of common doffs to the exchange every day

i also have all the purples that will allow me to run 33% crit success on the support colony mission

most of my Character can run the max 7 missions at one time of support colony with 33% crit - and turning in refugees, bluesw and purples.

I have spent a min 2000 hrs doffing - avg of 6 hrs a day every day

That is how i play the game.
then they are proboly making this change because of you. thanks for that
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# 462
10-26-2012, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by f2pdrakron View Post
And I think I found some of the Exchange Profiteers ...

People trying to drive the prices down? what absurdity is this? Only reason anyone would ever do that is because they intend to sell then at a profit later ... its basically lowering the prices so when prices rise later due to either natural supply-demand or artificial means they can cash in.

Also I am not going to take lessons from someone that does not even know how Assignments work, I suspect those so called "professional doffers" are nothing but Exchange manipulators that having lost control over the DOFF prices are attempting to make Cryptic adopt changes so they can return to their profiteering ways.


Now ... Good day, Sir.
Your claiming I don't know doffing because I might have made a mistake over the exact figures or results for a mission that I have not done in over 6 months - great example. I used the words "I believe" for a reason - that being it has been so long. And prices are dropping because of suppy - and less demand. There are people flooding the market with purples and blues - but as of yet most starbase production only requires commons and greens for 99% of assignments. You should re-think your argument.

Regardless - i am confident that Cryptic will keep the new prices to grind intact - this is just a thread spinning wheels.

Edit: as a general rule I don't sell purples - i have no need - I doff : I like to have every possible doff i need - in addition I have no time to hussle them around between 25 characters - it would take weeks to organize them properly. Add to that I have over $700 million EC - and 1.5 million dilth - i am not overly concerned with any of these changes making me more resources that i have nothing that i need to spend it on. At fire sale prices I have another $2 billion is stored resources that i could sell - i have no time or need so they continue to build up in bank space - thankfully as a Gold sub I have lots of it.

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# 463
10-26-2012, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by levi3 View Post
He kept openning his mouth so much I knew eventually his true motives would slip out - admitting he was wanting to produce 10 purples every few hours at the grinder was the final nail in his coffin.

Many people - professional doffers and others who closely watch the numbers and make objective arguments like "stoleviathan99" have commented that there was someone or some players driving down the cost of purples on a mass scale - it seems like we have found at least 1 of those people.

unfortunately Overlord and others like him have forced Cryptic to take these drastic measures.

Take note Mr Stahl - the changes to grind up purples and blues are perfectly legitimate. But I would ask that you reconsider the cost to upgrade to greens due to the high demand for T3 upgrades and T4 progression - something like 100 dilth would be for more appropriate than 500.

Thanks

And for the rest - don't be fooled by Overlord he does not have your best interests in mind in his lenghtly arguements.
I think your own "petitions" and besmerchment of a user that has only been playing for 2 months is all anyone needs to know about your comments and the veracity or lackof of your arguments which were discounted and discredited for their narrow outlook based on the experiences of someone who spends an inordinate amount of time on this game.

Furthermore you created the idea that I am producing purple doffs @ a rate of 25 a week, which as you know with 3 characters and little time would actually require more EC and Dlithium than would be rewarded in EC. Your false accusations are indicative though of someone who has lost an argument and has begun using personal attacks in an attempt to divert the ongoing dialogue.

As I have already said I am more than happy for restrictions on the creation of purple doffs in the grinder by using a Doff Marks system or something similar, I am and have been against more than anything else the imposition of a dilithium sink which already makes an incredibly expensive process for the average user in less plausible.

The sad thing about your attack on the average user is the very people you claim to oppose those that are ironically making some kind of profit from reducing the price of the very thing they are selling will still only stand to gain by this Dilthium sink.

It is clear that if these profiteers do infact exist that it is logical to assume that they have not only vast funds but a vast amount of purple doffs stored. Once ordinary people can no longer grind blues for purples due to being priced out these same profiteers you take issue with will have an even stronger position in a market under-supplied, then they will be able to sell their stored doffs for many times the price they currently are, these profiteers only benefit from this change.

The sad part is that you have used all this to distract from the overall dialogue in this thread where by a clear majority the average users have come out against this change fully seeing the damage it will do to their fleets and characters ability to progress in the doff system.

Thankyou though I believe your stance has actually convinced more people of the essential unfairness of these changes.
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# 464
10-26-2012, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by f2pdrakron View Post
Maybe but its a fixed price, not counting the 5 Blue DOFFs being lost and also Lt. Ferra is a honest Kilrathi ... I mean Caitian and you see what you are getting, its not a LOL Random system ... you pay the Cat, you get the DOFF you picked.

The markup is understandable besides its 12k? I could have swore it was 8k that was the daily limit, perhaps I am mistaken it with Blues but still its one system with no input loss and no chance system.

And as I said, its not a issue because they are more that happy in drowning me with Purples if I go the DOFF pack route, even this route does nothing besides ... P2W since, again, they happily allow me to bypass the Refined Dilithium limits if I buy it from the exchange and no, dont bring up the "some player had to put it up" because we dont know, nothing stops Cryptic of adding Dilithium to the Exchange and we do know Cryptic developers have brought Golden Lockboxes before from the Exchange instead of letting the market "solve itself", I dont have a problem with that (as I am not a believer of the so called "player driven economy") but it certainly sets the notion they are not going to set in when its convenient to them.

If I am allowed to circumvent a "balance" system with money, its P2W ... if anything this prices rises exist only to drive people into spending real money in Zen Points so they can buy Dilithium or to buy DOFF packs.
If you buy purple doffs from Ferra's store he charges 12k dil. Some are very useful. Others.... are meh. And yeah that's more than the 8k you can refine each day.

So the new compactor charges 5k and 5 blues for a purple. Hmm.... let's compare the doff store with the compactor hmm?

greens: 500 from compactor 1k from ferra
blues: 2.5k vs 6k
purples: 5k vs 12k

so... except for green, the prices are 5/12 what you would be charged if you could buy that doff in ferra's store.
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# 465
10-26-2012, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by thisisoverlord View Post
I think your own "petitions" and besmerchment of a user that has only been playing for 2 months is all anyone needs to know about your comments and the veracity or lackof of your arguments which were discounted and discredited for their narrow outlook based on the experiences of someone who spends an inordinate amount of time on this game.

Furthermore you created the idea that I am producing purple doffs @ a rate of 25 a week, which as you know with 3 characters and little time would actually require more EC and Dlithium than would be rewarded in EC. Your false accusations are indicative though of someone who has lost an argument and has begun using personal attacks in an attempt to divert the ongoing dialogue.

As I have already said I am more than happy for restrictions on the creation of purple doffs in the grinder by using a Doff Marks system or something similar, I am and have been against more than anything else the imposition of a dilithium sink which already makes an incredibly expensive process for the average user in less plausible.

The sad thing about your attack on the average user is the very people you claim to oppose those that are ironically making some kind of profit from reducing the price of the very thing they are selling will still only stand to gain by this Dilthium sink.

It is clear that if these profiteers do infact exist that it is logical to assume that they have not only vast funds but a vast amount of purple doffs stored. Once ordinary people can no longer grind blues for purples due to being priced out these same profiteers you take issue with will have an even stronger position in a market under-supplied, then they will be able to sell their stored doffs for many times the price they currently are, these profiteers only benefit from this change.

The sad part is that you have used all this to distract from the overall dialogue in this thread where by a clear majority the average users have come out against this change fully seeing the damage it will do to their fleets and characters ability to progress in the doff system.

Thankyou though I believe your stance has actually convinced more people of the essential unfairness of these changes.
I'm gonna continue business as usual. I don't use it that much so it won't bother me. the only people it really hurts are those that overuse it. That is either people who want to sell purples or people who are new players and haven't figured out that the compactor is the expensive way to get doffs.
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# 466
10-26-2012, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by markhawkman View Post
I'm gonna continue business as usual. I don't use it that much so it won't bother me. the only people it really hurts are those that overuse it. That is either people who want to sell purples or people who are new players and haven't figured out that the compactor is the expensive way to get doffs.
EC and Dilithium expensive but time is more important to me.

As you already say it is expensive enough as it is, adding this extra sink will simply push people onto buying direct from the exchange and play straight into the hands of these so-called profiteers who no doubt have been stockpiling doffs for a very long time.


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If you buy purple doffs from Ferra's store he charges 12k dil. Some are very useful. Others.... are meh. And yeah that's more than the 8k you can refine each day.

So the new compactor charges 5k and 5 blues for a purple. Hmm.... let's compare the doff store with the compactor hmm?

greens: 500 from compactor 1k from ferra
blues: 2.5k vs 6k
purples: 5k vs 12k

so... except for green, the prices are 5/12 what you would be charged if you could buy that doff in ferra's store.
You under the misconception that people are willing to pay and actually even buy Doffs from Ferra. I think I've bought 1 from him. that's it. Any product is only worth what people are willing to pay.

Record companies may price a CD @ ?12.99 but most people are no longer willing to accept that as a price they are willing to pay so they don't.

Markup does not actually reflect true market value, and this discussion is a diversion from the main point the majority here feel it is an unfair and unaffordable dilithium sink that will push them away from doffing.

So lets stick to and focus on that.

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# 467
10-26-2012, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by markhawkman View Post
I'm gonna continue business as usual. I don't use it that much so it won't bother me. the only people it really hurts are those that overuse it. That is either people who want to sell purples or people who are new players and haven't figured out that the compactor is the expensive way to get doffs.
I will go with is sound reasoning+your prior example since my posts tend to be much more dramatic.

People are using the grinder for blues or purples are either looking to make a massive profit and at the same time buy flooding the market are cheapening the value of doffs, or they are doing it to quickly get purples and are wasting blues.

If this issue IS really aboy starbases as some are claiming it is - then I have already stated Mr Stahl should lower the cost to convert to greens from 500 to 100.

That is all this thread should be about.

The good news is that I can continue with this thread while doffing at the same time

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# 468
10-26-2012, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by thisisoverlord View Post
EC and Dilithium expensive but time is more important to me.

As you already say it is expensive enough as it is, adding this extra sink will simply push people onto buying direct from the exchange and play straight into the hands of these so-called profiteers who no doubt have been stockpiling doffs for a very long time.




You under the misconception that people are willing to pay and actually even buy Doffs from Ferra. I think I've bought 1 from him. that's it. Any product is only worth what people are willing to pay.

Record companies may price a CD @ ?12.99 but most people are no longer willing to accept that as a price they are willing to pay so they don't.

Markup does not actually reflect true market value, and this discussion is a diversion from the main point the majority here feel it is an unfair and unaffordable dilithium sink that will push them away from doffing.

So lets stick to and focus on that.
Only the desperate ones. If you're not desperate to get purples and blues immediately you don't have that problem. (guess who rarely buys doffs off exchange?)
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# 469
10-26-2012, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by levi3 View Post
I will go with is sound reasoning+your prior example since my posts tend to be much more dramatic.

People are using the grinder for blues or purples are either looking to make a massive profit and at the same time buy flooding the market are cheapening the value of doffs, or they are doing it to quickly get purples and are wasting blues.

If this issue IS really aboy starbases as some are claiming it is - then I have already stated Mr Stahl should lower the cost to convert to greens from 500 to 100.

That is all this thread should be about.

The good news is that I can continue with this thread while doffing at the same time
The thread is about what the majority of people feel, that is that this is a Dilithium sink we do not want. That is all the thread should be about.

As I already said all this sink will do is play into the hands of the profiteers you seem to be obsessed with, they will have full run of the exchange after this and no doubt if they are anything like you they have 1000's of doffs in reserve whose value will multiple by 50x if this change stands.
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# 470
10-26-2012, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by thisisoverlord View Post
The thread is about what the majority of people feel, that is that this is a Dilithium sink we do not want. That is all the thread should be about.

As I already said all this sink will do is play into the hands of the profiteers you seem to be obsessed with, they will have full run of the exchange after this and no doubt if they are anything like you they have 1000's of doffs in reserve whose value will multiple by 50x if this change stands.
Yeah well, a lot of people were unhappy about dilithium being added to the game..... they have all either gotten over it or left. Personally, I didn't care.

I think you're a bit paranoid about profiteers. But I am expecting to see prices rise.
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