Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,845
# 881
10-28-2012, 01:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckingram View Post
Chill out? LOL Dude, you don't have a CLUE how phrases like that really work.



Well look, we have a not-so-well disguised Cryptic rump-kisser among us, in the flesh. How does being an unpaid flak taste? Also, before you offer any more self-serving, meat-brained advice, I couldn't care less what you think about this sorry situation, so stick a potato in it please. If all you can offer is poorly-packaged contempt when faced with a bit of dissatisfaction, perhaps a change in venue might be needed. Maybe the "ways to serve oatmeal" forum would address your needs.



Open your eyes Nobody, it ain't working so well. Bought beta testers coupled with the design teams particpation should be the order. Not 2-days of "give it a try, okay?"
My you're a remarkably pleasant person.

You're even a phraseology critic, impressive.

I don't need to kiss Cryptic's tail, I simply don't develop the level of contempt that you have. I'm sure you'll be pleased to find that I find your opinion equally meaningless. It's been a while since I've come across someone who attacks someone who generally agrees with them, for not being vitriolic enough.

My eyes are wide open. You're right a solid in house dedicated QA department is certainly a requirement of any efficient video game company nowadays. Tribble is an opportunity to get player feedback. Nothing more nothing less.
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Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 230
# 882
10-28-2012, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by captaind3 View Post
My you're a remarkably pleasant person.
Thank you, I've heard that before. While you, little sir, are a lot of work, all butt-hurt because you met some resistance to your smary, red-faced BS. Now, I'll go back to having a conniption while you continue to kiss the ring.

Anything new to offer us, Dan?
Rihannsu
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 17,294
# 883
10-28-2012, 04:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chiisauma View Post
I honestly cannot see this ending well. From what I understand, basically we are going from a system with a low % chance of getting the item you want each run, with a slightly better % chance of consolation prizes (IE: EDCs/Borg Salvage) to a system with a ZERO % chance of getting what you want each run, and with a ZERO % chance of any sort of consolation prize, until you run STFs enough to finally unlock access to all STF equipment.

So it seems to be that STFs are going from a gradual curve of slowly earning/equipping better and better STF gear as you play until you finally grind out the gear you want, to a system very much akin to running headfirst into a wall repeatedly. No more gradual increases; you just keep running the same STFs with the same gear, ad nauseum, until you hit the magic arbitrary required number of runs; then you can finally access better gear.

Personally; it was the "Maybe today I will get that prototype salvage" mentality and the occasional EDC's/Borg Salvage drops that kept me running STFs/playing STO (Multiple chars all at Lv 50 is otherwise very boring). Nothing will kill any desire on my part for running STFs then now realising "OK, now I have to run XXX number of STFs first, over months per char, and only THEN I can get my Proto Gear". Oh, and lets not forget it will have a substantial cost per piece in Dil now as well, coupled with a considerable reduction in the Dil rewarded from STFs.

I doubt you will find many new players willing to repeatedly grind STFs dozens/hundreds of times, with no tangable rewards; for months on end, and no chance of being able to use better gear until they hit the magic number of STF completions. And then finally pay very dearly for their STF item.

I can only say that i am very glad that all my chars are already well equipped with STF gear; I certainly would hate to have to earn it under the new system. This is honestly the most un-fun and un-rewarding thing I think you could possibly do to end game/STF players; This "update" reduces STFs to nothing but a combination of pure grindfest and Dil sink.
I have to disagree. I never got any of the good tech drops under the old system, ever. I pretty much gave up on getting anything but EDCs out of it. To me, the old system STANK and I'm happy to be able to kiss it goodbye. The Dil cost is a minor annoyance. Why bother with having multiples of Borg or MACO gear anyways? I'll just pay it once then forget about it.
HAIL HYDRA!

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Career Officer
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 953
# 884
10-28-2012, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by markhawkman View Post
I have to disagree. I never got any of the good tech drops under the old system, ever. I pretty much gave up on getting anything but EDCs out of it. To me, the old system STANK and I'm happy to be able to kiss it goodbye. The Dil cost is a minor annoyance. Why bother with having multiples of Borg or MACO gear anyways? I'll just pay it once then forget about it.
Hehe a lot of my boffs have Mk X and Mk XI STF gear, collected along the way to achieving MK XII.

Have you asked yourself why the didn't just allow players to buy Mk XII with EDC?

This has very little to do with helping players get STF gear.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 230
# 885
10-28-2012, 05:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by markhawkman View Post
I have to disagree. I never got any of the good tech drops under the old system, ever. I pretty much gave up on getting anything but EDCs out of it. To me, the old system STANK and I'm happy to be able to kiss it goodbye. The Dil cost is a minor annoyance. Why bother with having multiples of Borg or MACO gear anyways? I'll just pay it once then forget about it.
Either you're terribly unlucky or you haven't flown all that many STF's. Why bother with multiple copies of things? Again, I'm wondering what game you've been playing. I have one alt, but I have lots of ships to kit and tweak from time to time.

TBH, I don't mind a change in the way things work either, it's the way things are happening that sucks.
Rihannsu
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 17,294
# 886
10-28-2012, 06:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckingram View Post
Either you're terribly unlucky or you haven't flown all that many STF's. Why bother with multiple copies of things? Again, I'm wondering what game you've been playing. I have one alt, but I have lots of ships to kit and tweak from time to time.

TBH, I don't mind a change in the way things work either, it's the way things are happening that sucks.
I've done mostly ground actually. :p

Total between all of my 9 chars..... I don't really know, based on the STF gear my chars have, probably between 20 and 30. Part of my lack of motivation to play STFs is the fact that getting anything beyond an EDC is pure luck. I don't like relying on luck, there are a wide variety of other things I could spend my time on in the game, such as writing Foundry missions or collecting stuff for fleet projects. I've gotten Rare salvage a few times and only one green tech.
HAIL HYDRA!

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Captain
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 2,685
# 887
10-28-2012, 07:20 PM
Originally Posted by dastahl
Btw... Fleet Action scoring is set up differently in every Fleet Action and is not entirely based on DPS, but rather objective scoring.

I've asked the team to come up with a scoring chart so that you can see what different objectives mean from a score perspective (for example in some fleet actions interactions are worth a lot of points and that has nothing to do with DPS). A lot of the Fleet Actions do value "Kills" in scoring, but we are reviewing that as well.

In addition, we have decided to nix the X2 Dilithium bonus for Gold and instead provide a x2 Purple gear and keep the Dilithium consistent across all players.


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This is WORSE then giving escorts x2 dilithium
You gave escorts the best Dps so who is going to win gold Dan ?

Purple loot is worth 10x the dilithium I'n case you didn't know

So science and cruisers are 2nd class characters it's
Official correct

Dan said
Go escorts or go home ,, Sir that's the bottom line here

This soposed to be a team game right ?

Don't make us compete against each other your talking about
Total confusion among character types here, the cruisers
Won't heal or tank out of spite of being nerfed because they
Have no chance to get good loot

The science players will question why there I'n
The game period

Make the reward team based please

Reinforce your characters roles don't confuse them

Or drop the holy trinity concept and go with cannon
Ship builds if you no longer support the Trinity
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng

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Captain
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 2,685
# 888
10-28-2012, 08:07 PM
Dan

Why are the rewards being droped so dramatically
For stfs

As far as I and almost everyone I'n our fleet
Is concerened the stfs are the most fun aspect
I'n the game and we do them together as teams

It's a combination of
Dilithium
Loot
Edc from selling loot
Borg drops; which can be used to get gear
Or dilithium

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Your dropping
Edc earnings
Loot
Borg drops
Dilithium earnings
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Now your adding 960 dilithium to fleet actions ?
Why there not nearly as fun to do as Stfs
That's why we don't do them

Adding 960 dilithium doesn't make them any more
Fun
I think you should increase the dilithium earnings
On stfs not cut them to compsentate for what you
Are taking away from us

Furthermore your going to fragment our players
From teams to solo play by Nerfing the stfs so harshly

Why does your team feel the need to force us to not
Play stfs by Denying us our rewards for playing the game ?
And To play a part of the game we don't like I'n the first place
We only do enough fleet actions to keep tje star base projects
Running no more.

Ground stfs should have the hightest rewards
I'n the game, I challenge you to play cure elite and
See for yourself no other content I'n this game is as hard
Or takes as long. And get the optional.

I hope you read this and consider my points
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng

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Last edited by jellico1; 10-29-2012 at 12:29 AM.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 6,240
# 889
10-28-2012, 11:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckingram View Post
There's nothing "only" about it. They're stealing our current STF currency, and locking it away for the most dubious and insulting reasons. Hell, so far Dan has been unwiling to even post what the conversion rate will be for individual items
Haven't followed all the rants in here (sorry); but if the above is true, then I might be inclined to add a little rant of my own. Sigh.

Seriously, I think Season 7, in its entirety, will become known as "The season when it became all about lacing their pockets with latinum, and even moar latinum." I don't see *anything* in Season 7 that I look forward to. Everywhere I look, however well I search the place, all I see is Cryptic adding moar ways to make themselves moar money. And often in quite shameful ways.

Funny; I joined almost 3 months ago, right after PWE had taken over. And now I'm already seriously considering quitting.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,297
# 890
10-28-2012, 11:53 PM
I was on tribble this morning and there was reputation and all that for the borg and romulan stuff already but nothing had yet been converted. I'm actually slightly worried they're going to not put that on tribble until it's too late to do any checking. I'm still not even sure how it's really a "leg up" if they're going to be holding it all hostage like this. Anytime Cryptic has made it a point to withhold information it's a good sign that it's going to end badly for the fans.
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