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# 141
10-25-2012, 11:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by husnock1 View Post
Really? I've tried being polite but your failure to get my and others' points is getting too much to tolerate now.

There is NOTHING equating to REAL EFFORT involved with getting the ground sets. It is ALL LUCK. Absolutely NO SKILL will earn you these sets as is, it's PURE RANDOM CHANCE.

It's EXACTLY like the Lockboxes.

I can run 1200 STFs and NEVER see those sets.

Seriously, please stop calling others names and refusing to see whenre we're coming from. It's childish.
Don't waste your effort man. Some people have way too much of their self-worth tied up in their video game armor to ever look at what we are saying rationally. When the games EP even says the current system is luck-based, there really isn't anything else that needs to be said.

If they were complaining about the STF dilithium rewards being nerfed or that they have to start from tier 1 on the rep system even thou they've done all the unlocks, I'd be agreeing with them. But everything else in the new system is a massive improvement.
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# 142 Thanks
10-25-2012, 11:50 AM
Thanks for the help booglejams and the guys like you who keep posting on my thread.

That way it stays at the top and helps me get my message across.

There is no such thing as bad publicity is there..
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# 143
10-25-2012, 01:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by husnock1 View Post
.... It is ALL LUCK. Absolutely NO SKILL will earn you these sets as is, it's PURE RANDOM CHANCE.
Let's all pull out the charms and voodoo dolls then and lynch us some Borgs.... finally get the MK XII gear that the fates deny us.

Let's say there is some cosmic force called luck and let's forget that all random generators have a seed source of some kind to base from and everything does in fact happen by chance... why do anything at all in life then? From most all the chance sayers here you'd think that their luck is so bad that they'd be run over by a reindeer when stepping out in Christmas.


Quote:
"The problem, however, is that it?s unfair when someone lucks out and gets the very rare item they need after only playing one elite STF while another person is still running the same STFs over and over hoping to get the drop."

Daniel Stahl
Executive Producer
Star Trek Online
To me this is obviously a PR statement trying to pat some heads in a virtual "it's ok.. we'll make it more fair" fashion to try and make everyone happy.

I think for the most part we're mature and old enough to understand that nothing in life is really fair and that this is usually a serious cause of concern for pre-adolescent kids.

Disclaimer: For the more sensitive of forum readers.. Just in case someone gets offended here and self identifies, I'm not calling anyone out as a pre-adolescent kid or a cupcake this time for that matter.

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As the thread keeps going off topic.. for some reason... let's remember that the OP's very reason for posting was the naming of the "Reputation System". To me, it stands to reason that the man cared enough about the game to state his point that in naming it that way could be seen as not only incorrect but improper.

Which I agree personally... how "can" the storyline justify "Reputation" for something you've inherently not earned.. or take away the recognition of prior achievements of those that have ground out STFs into a powder, be it 10 times or 10,000 times, to earn their equipment? My concern is that many will feel like these things will be, in comparison to now, given away when most of who'm already looted the MK XII gear made commitments and invested their time and built their characters to get them. All because of the "it's not fair" whiners it seems.

Many can potentially see this as a "back-stab" by Cryptic and lose interest in the game all together... which I assume has some relevance to posts commenting on Ground missions being deserted in the future due to lack of incentive..

look at the petty ground PvPs queues and that is where Ground STFs is headed... and personally if ground dies off then there is no more content I, and many others, will be interested as much in anymore as I find space missions simplistic and unchallenging. I basically run space STFs now just to see how high I can get the "time remaining for opt" clock, not even for the drops.

Perhaps we have a level of pride that rivals most I suppose and don't want things just handed to us, we do want to earn them by work and like all humans, even if you choose to deny it to yourselves, want recognition for labor already applied into an accepted system. Most of us grinders accepted the system as is, and accordingly went off to conquer it, not cried about it like school girls.


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Alot of these responses favoring this new system remind alot of this article for reasons I cannot comprehend yet.

Article: "Radical Feminism's Attack on Manhood in America" By Lloyd Marcus

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# 144
10-25-2012, 09:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blakes7tvseries
Thank for trying take away from what I have done, but you have proven nothing.

While I have given constructive feedback, your words provide no added value.

What you call luck is what I call hard work like running over 600 ground STFs.

Give it a try I dare you.

Later when your done you can tell me if its not hard work.

I bet you've never done five ground missions and give you a challenge.

Take my challenge

If you can stay alive and prove yourself ground worthy on a Infected Elite Ground Optional run.

No tricks, no AFK, you must help like all the other team members, them you win.

If you can then I will edit every post and say I am wrong and you much wiser and smarter than I.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jellico1
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Lets see you in Elite Maco Omega or KHG armor at 100% visuals

you dont have it do you ? guess it was too much work for you huh, I bet you cant even get the opp in infected or cure

LOL just a Troll
Really? I've tried being polite but your failure to get my and others' points is getting too much to tolerate now.

There is NOTHING equating to REAL EFFORT involved with getting the ground sets. It is ALL LUCK. Absolutely NO SKILL will earn you these sets as is, it's PURE RANDOM CHANCE.

It's EXACTLY like the Lockboxes.

I can run 1200 STFs and NEVER see those sets.

Seriously, please stop calling others names and refusing to see whenre we're coming from. It's childish.
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Hey guy GREAT new
I heard today that the NEW elite ground gear will look
....?.............................DIFFERNT........ ...............
from the current ground gear

That's awesome isn't it

Our old clunky gear will remain the same
Jellico....Engineer.....Stargazer KDF Tac
Saphire.. Science.....Ko'el Rom Kdf Tac
Leva........Tactical.....Mailu KDF Sci

JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
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# 145
10-26-2012, 06:49 AM
The reality is if that quoted statement was the REAL reason why the system was changed there are better ways to do it, but the real reason is to make money. The system has nothing to do with reputation, its a time gated dilithium sink, nothing is more obvious, they aren't even trying to hide it, though they refuse to admit it.

Keeping the STFs simple and fun would make people happy, they could have easily added a ticker/counter to your progress, on each completion of the STF you increase a count, counts 0-10 you have a 0% chance to earn a proto tech, each after 10 increases the chance by 5% until a maximum of 50% chance. When you get the drop the counter resets. There is some chance, some earning.
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# 146
10-27-2012, 09:41 PM
"The problem, however, is that it?s unfair when someone lucks out and gets the very rare item they need after only playing one elite STF while another person is still running the same STFs over and over hoping to get the drop."

Daniel Stahl
Executive Producer
Star Trek Online


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So adding a accolade tie I'n on completed
Missions would not have worked to give people
There earned rewards a few hours work tops
For a competent content tech

As Count Douku said

Surley you can do better !
Jellico....Engineer.....Stargazer KDF Tac
Saphire.. Science.....Ko'el Rom Kdf Tac
Leva........Tactical.....Mailu KDF Sci

JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
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# 147
10-29-2012, 06:59 AM
Well, it looks like the PVP'rs got their way again. Look at the reputation tab and highlight tier 5. Requirements for the XII maco/Omega/HG set ground all have a costume unlock, with a requirement to have looted the appropriate ground set, or something like that.

Now, we only have to grind for 2 months to unlock the store, and STILL cant purchase a item unless we have unlocked the ground costume, seems like they added 2 months on top of even the lucky ones who use to get the set in a couple runs.
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