[quote]Thats 5 SNB DOffs on any vessel. Its not an escort only issue.

Can you even stack 5 SNB DOffs at a time?

This is true however as the proc is chance per hit the chance is far greater on an escort

To be honest with you I don't know, I do know that you can stack more than 1 though (I read the pvp forums not too long ago, hence I know of SNB doffs at all)

[quote]I do not believe this is correct.
It should give proc chances based on the number firing cycles, not number of hits.
Any vessel with CRF,CSV or BFAw can increase thier chance of proc.
In fact a Beam Turret build is great for the increased turret+CRF combo.


I believe three is the maximum allowed on a build.


Overall though I dislike the SNB DOffs and think they are out of balance with the rest of the game.
Maybe we need two more DOffs that each can mimic another single Captain ability for tac or Eng?

yesterday I was playing the episode in Hobus where you get attacked by a D'deridex at the end (the IRW Sitesh I think). I used Eject Warp Plasma II to halt it in it's tracks and then used Evasive maneuvers to get distance. I then got to the side of the ship (out ofr Torpedo and Heavy Cannon firing arcs). This is a solid tactic that should work. What happens? It fires volley of four Heavy Plasma Torpedos at me... at least 45 degrees out of any firing arc that could launch torps... it fired them anyway. My response was Fire At Will to destroy them, then my weapons go red and lose all power, my shields were still at 90%, my hull untouched, no shuttles were launched and no beam was used that could have droped my weapon power... it was just gone. I hit an Engine Battery to up engine power to escape, then my engines go red and I am dead in space, the torps hit and drop my shields and hull to zero (which is odd since torps are supposed to be weak against shields).

So it is obvious that NPC 'boss' ships are programed to be able to cheat, that their weapons fire in impossible arcs, and do damage not even MK XII Borg weapons can do.

Well as I genuinely do not know enough about this I will not argue

Again, I don't know enough to build a comment on

Here we agree again

What we really need is to remove SNB doffs from the game and to stop putting captains out of jobs but I don't believe that needs saying.

Out of curiosity, what do you think of my suggested adaptions of reynoldsxd's cruiser buffs?

Interesting. Possibly give them a innate buff when using "Xteams" due to the larger crews.

Now this is a definate idea.....

Very interesting........

this thread is getting into some sort of useless discussion. The arguments of the OP are wrong and/or based on his interpretation (imagination) of Star Trek canon. Mainly it does not represent current gameplay in any way.
When i read through it again, it seems he is playing some other game.

yet a discussion that starts to circle has come out of it. Why?

why should cryptic start to redesign their tank class? Is there a vaid reason to do that? No, cruisers tank just fine.
Why should cruisers (the current tank class) do more dmg accross the board? Only because fans of the ships can use them as dmg dealers? The game is not intended to provide that, period.
Actually that isn't entirely true, since there are some cruisers that just do good dps...but that ofcourse takes experiance and playerskill...which most cruiser captain simply lack drastically.

to deal dmg with a cruiser just needs an above average captain to function, not a redesign of the class itself.

Obvious is such a strong word. You are aware of the simple fact that D'deridex NPCs are using Viral Matrix, right? I mean, it even shows a funny debuff icon when you've been hit with it. Can't see any cheating here. Next time it's probably better to just wait till VM deactivates your engines before using a battery or just stay out of its front arc.

High-Yield plasma torpedo salvos are the D'deridex' special ability. What's wrong with that? Nothing different than having special consoles on C-Store ships. They are stonger but so incredible slow, that I can't even remember when the last one hit me. Also your fireing arc argument sounds quite funny when you think about the Feds Wide Angle Quantum Torpedo Launcher, doesn't it? Dare those evil NPCs, why do they have something only us players are allowed to have. How are we supposed to kill them now?

STO NPCs are stupid. They are so stupid that it's probably not possible to dumb them down any further, so you should be happy that there are a few NPC ships with at least a couple scripted abilities.

I think the only one you can really justify buffing on cruisers is eng team mainly because it is the most practical. On the subject of crew and crew bonuses, what do you guys think of a higher crew recovery on cruisers as a large crew requires a large med-bay and a large medical crew complement.

Perhaps have a flat resist to them with a stacking boost when externally drained (like the Aegis sets reactive shields and/or sensor scan)

I'm thinking either straight 2 torps fired per cycle, this would be compensated for my escorts running HY, if we do this would it still be safe to have them affected by HY (spread would remain unaffected for obvious reasons) or should it be a high percentage of the standard yield per torp? If we do the former then I can imagine escort pilots complaining that HY is suddenly a MUST have skill but the latter has to potential to negate the whole idea if it isn't high enough... ideas?

Because a) any vessel beside shuttle can tank in endgame content in STO, b) endcontent is all about damage, c) for the the endcontent that is not purly about damage, the heal of an escort using power management is sufficent.


LoL, according to you any healer in this game lacks skil because he does no DPS in his cruiser.

Of course, also cruiser can deal damage. But no cruiser, will deal more damage than an escort. So, an escort can tank endgame content as well as an cruiser, whats the point of flying a cruiser anyway?

It is nothing wrong with the damage of cruisers, however, escorts because of several "broken" powers are much to tanky.

Nerf escort tanking! The average escort pilot only needs to get the borg set, 3 blue+ shield dsitribution officer and set engine to full impuls.