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Captain
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# 11
10-30-2012, 01:50 PM
All the folks saying no to this suggestion are only coming from the tactical escort point of view.

Like I said, you can't mount single cannons on a cruiser, even. You can't mount much on a battlecruiser, either.

The cannon EQUIVELANT of beam overload is rapid fire. The EQUIVELANT of fire at will is cannon rapid fire. It's severely handicapping the use of cannons to make them 1 rank higher than the beam EQUIVELANT.

I tried running a bortasqu' as an eng cruiser tank with single cannons and it wasn't possible. I could only mount a single CRF skill, plus 2 tac teams. I had no other options. On my beam cruisers of the exact same setup I can mount one AoE skill and one boost-firepower skill. I can't do that on my battlecruisers or my cruisers, or even when I have a spare tac ENS slot on escorts.


It doesn't balance anything. It's illogical. It's punitive, like much of the stuff in this game that's a massive oversight.


EDIT: P.S. Your "works as intended" has a double meaning in this game. In STO that means it's a long-standing bug or oversight that the devs are too lazy to address. Doesn't mean anything is actually working as intended

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# 12
10-31-2012, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by khayuung View Post
The sarcasm is strong with this one.
Um, no. It's not. Dual torpedo boats with 3 purple projectile officers put out some of the highest damage parses in the game.
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# 13
10-31-2012, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by xantris View Post
Um, no. It's not. Dual torpedo boats with 3 purple projectile officers put out some of the highest damage parses in the game.
DOubtful.... Maybe against stationary unshielded borg gateways. Without strong enough energy weapons to bring down the shields so your torps can hit bare hull, you're not as effective.
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# 14
10-31-2012, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by rodentmaster View Post
DOubtful.... Maybe against stationary unshielded borg gateways. Without strong enough energy weapons to bring down the shields so your torps can hit bare hull, you're not as effective.
Well with a Fleet Somraw raptor one could make a (2) DBB (2) torp build like so,

TT1 HY2 BO3 APO3
TT1 BO2 HY3
EPTS1 A2SIF3
EPTW1
HE1 TSS2

and attempt to stagger BO with EPTW1 and the HY to deal damage. Not my cup of warnog, though.

I think the double front torp build though is just another example of a speciality build that is viable but takes experience to use properly.


Moving the cannon abilities down one tier across the board would be great but unbalanced in my opinion as escorts could run even better builds and while the Cruiser would be able to do the same they would still fall way behind the escoerts in dealing damage.
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Last edited by bitemepwe; 10-31-2012 at 09:49 AM.
Captain
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# 15
10-31-2012, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by rodentmaster View Post
DOubtful.... Maybe against stationary unshielded borg gateways. Without strong enough energy weapons to bring down the shields so your torps can hit bare hull, you're not as effective.

If your talking PvP, then no they're not. Shields (and cannons) reign supreme in PvP. Nothing in PvE has shields that are strong enough that it matters, most shields are stripped in a handful of seconds, and the big boss type targets have huge hull hp that you need to burn through. If you want to go look up parses on STFs, then go do it. There are plenty out there. You'll find those dual torp escorts at 10-12k DPS. So quit spewing nonsense like torpedos are terrible, they aren't.

Last edited by xantris; 10-31-2012 at 10:01 AM.
Commander
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# 16
10-31-2012, 03:12 PM
Cannons are so underpowered that 4x dual heavy cannon builds are the overwhelmingly dominant source of DPS in both PvP and PvE.
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# 17
10-31-2012, 04:22 PM
This is a different topic altogether, but maybe drop the damage boost that the different CRF/CSV gives you, along with their reduction in slot rank.

That would bring the boucou DPS of all-DHC builds down just a tad, and maybe lessen the massive gap escorts have over cruisers in this game....


But like I said that's another topic entirely...
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# 18
11-01-2012, 01:15 AM
I just don't understand why all abilities don't simply have 4 tiers...
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# 19
11-01-2012, 04:58 AM
I'll have to recheck, as I though the single cannon (180 arc) and turret (360 arc) are "universally mountable" cannon style weapons. ie: mount single cannons on the front, turrets on rear of cruiser, CSV / CRF affects all guns again... (though DPS would be relatively pathetic)...

Now on that note, part of balancing powers/slots is the overall slotting, look at gravity well, for example - as a Lt Cmdr (I) and Cmdr (II & III), there's not many non-science ships that can run this power, IIRC the MVAE is the only escort that can slot GW I among the non-universal slot wielding C-store escorts. Same with the slotting of Cannon powers (CRF/CSV), on the off chance that single cannons are all-ship slottable, most Tier 5 non-escorts can't run more than one copy of either CRF I / CSV I. Dropping them down a rank suddenly makes an all-cannon Gal-X somewhat feasable, as with the 3 tac slots it has I could go CRF II in Lt, CSV I and TT I in the ensign slots, and use subspace jump / evasives / Deuterium tanks / etc. to boost turn rate enough for this build to be very painful...
Well, with the upgrade announcement leaving NX and Connie fans in the dust again, can we restart / revisit the T5 Connie and NX threads - since they will no longer be "truly" endgame ships... (after we get the T5 versions, it'll be time to see them added to the T5U upgrade charts too...
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# 20
11-01-2012, 11:26 AM
That is my main beef.... That the firepower is comparable to beam arrays, only without the broadside (maybe they should make single cannons mountable in aft slots?). You just can't mount enough skills to use them with 1 ENS and 1 LT tac slot on a cruiser, or even a battlecruiser for that matter.
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