Rihannsu
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 261
10-31-2012, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by centersolace View Post
What part of Free Doffs are no longer free do you not understand?
the only significant cost is on the compactor. :p Branch recruiting is still free. general recruitment isn't very expensive.

Yeah it's not cheap, but ask yourself this: Would I buy more than one Scorpion hangar even if it was cheap? It's not the sort of thing I can imagine buying multiples of. I'd get just enough for my carrier(if I had one) and that'd be it.

It's not something you have a reason to do unless you want the hangar.

EDIT: in my previous post when I said "he's exaggerating" I meant tom61sto.
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Captain
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# 262
10-31-2012, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by markhawkman View Post
He's exaggerating.

It's 30 common engineering or Operations. It's not a specific specialty. Here's the full list(subject to change, like everything else on Tribble).
After all the DOff grinding I've done for the fleet starbase I'm not sure I even have 30 white quality DOffs at all, with slowly acquiring greens and blues consumed at a much lower rate by the fleet base gods.
Commander
Join Date: Oct 2012
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# 263
10-31-2012, 11:34 PM
Are you guys serious? All the current rewards are locked until we reach tier 5? I mean come on guys we worked hard and long for that stuff, and suddenly we don't have access to it? After looking at it, its clear that completing the rep system up to tier five will take weeks at the minimum. Am i missing something here? I'm one piece short of completing my mk XII ground set, I have two complete mk XII space sets and maco commander title. While I hope to get the final piece of the ground set before the launch of 7, I have killed IGE many, many times and never gotten the prototype shield tech. But if I don't I'm suddenly locked out, from getting the set for weeks maybe months, regardless of whether i can speed through all the Ground Elites. How is that fair?

Giving bonus dilithium does not suddenly make that better, I have more dilithium then I care to use right now, which will certainly will help me in my quest to get my gear back, but I'm gonna have to spend resources and a large length of time getting back what i spent weeks and months getting in the first place? Come on guys, there has to be a better way of doing this.
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# 264
11-01-2012, 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by maliusnight View Post
Giving bonus dilithium does not suddenly make that better,.
What bonus dilithium? STFs currently give less on Tribble (960 Dil for Elites currently), and the turn in 5 Borg whatsits for 1K Dil is at best breaking even compared to extra tech/salvage drops you could convert to Dil.
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# 265
11-01-2012, 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by tom61sto View Post
What bonus dilithium? STFs currently give less on Tribble (960 Dil for Elites currently), and the turn in 5 Borg whatsits for 1K Dil is at best breaking even compared to extra tech/salvage drops you could convert to Dil.
http://sto.perfectworld.com/blog/?p=726221

In the paragraph beginning "The Storage Device", last sentence, last 5 words.
Captain
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# 266
11-01-2012, 06:08 AM
First of all Cryptic, stop adding ******n DOff requirements to these things. I don't know how you haven't noticed the huge problems yet but to put it plainly, your in-game economy cannot handle it. There simply aren't remotely enough DOffs either on the market or through existing means of production that can support even a few of the players' higher-end requirements, let alone everyone's.

Secondly, gating people out from commonly-used equipment (the Borg console? Seriously?) means we'll see a wider gulf between geared players and naked ones and the PvP queues will suffer even worse. If you want to make a quick buck out of forcing people to buy dil, fine, but just be straight-up honest about it and remove all the other item requirements. Just make it a dil store. What we have right now is absolutely awful.

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# 267
11-01-2012, 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by markhawkman View Post
He's exaggerating.

It's 30 common engineering or Operations. It's not a specific specialty. Here's the full list(subject to change, like everything else on Tribble).

60 Romulan Marks, 10k Dil, 30 eng or ops Doffs, 10k expertise, 1 peregrine fighter, 5 warp coils.

The security escorts are actually pretty cheap.

10 rom marks, 1250 dil, 1500 expertise, 5 common security or tactical doffs, 2 large power cell, 1 common personal shield Mk 5.
You're living on massively borrowed surpluses. It's basically comparable to peak oil, only with reserves instead of production rates; you don't see how bad the deficit is because you're at the top of the bell curve.

To put it more simply, the DOffs (yes, even the common whites) that exist on the market today are only there because of the immensely hard, grindy work a few people are putting in and the Zen being poured into the engine to try and meet ~Tier IV+ starbase demands. As more people start reaching Tier IV, demand will exceed the last of the supply and the production wells will close (no more free Academy packs).

To see evidence of this, there are DOffs of a particular type and rarity (I won't name them to prevent a bank run) that are absolutely integral to SB development, and they're just straight-up running out. Every day they become more absurdly pricey, people have to stuff more and more of them away in the Mail, and the clock ticks closer to complete exhaustion.

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Rihannsu
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# 268
11-01-2012, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by shimmerless View Post
You're living on massively borrowed surpluses. It's basically comparable to peak oil, only with reserves instead of production rates; you don't see how bad the deficit is because you're at the top of the bell curve.

To put it more simply, the DOffs (yes, even the common whites) that exist on the market today are only there because of the immensely hard, grindy work a few people are putting in and the Zen being poured into the engine to try and meet ~Tier IV+ starbase demands. As more people start reaching Tier IV, demand will exceed the last of the supply and the production wells will close (no more free Academy packs).

To see evidence of this, there are DOffs of a particular type and rarity (I won't name them to prevent a bank run) that are absolutely integral to SB development, and they're just straight-up running out. Every day they become more absurdly pricey, people have to stuff more and more of them away in the Mail, and the clock ticks closer to complete exhaustion.
there's a giant gaping flaw in your logic.... I don't buy doffs more than once a month or so. All I do to get them is academy recruitment. Most on the exchange are idiotically priced as is. The main change in cost is the compactor, which yeah, now you have to pay to compact and uncompact over and over. Uncompactor is still free to use if you really need more commons.

And yes, I am a student of peak oil theory. More people should learn about it. But the analogy is inapplicable as it's merely a small change in cost not the drastic changes that you'll get when the major oil deposits are tapped out. That would cause oil production prices to rise a lot more than the season 7 vendor prices will. Secondary market prices.... good luck figuring those. but yeah, SBs have caused the availability of certain doffs to tank totally. The other flaw is that oil is used for fuel. While doffs have been compared to fuel, they aren't directly comparable. You don't need a steady supply to keep your starbase running, only to improve it.
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Last edited by markhawkman; 11-01-2012 at 08:01 AM.
Captain
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# 269
11-01-2012, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by markhawkman View Post
there's a giant gaping flaw in your logic.... I don't buy doffs more than once a month or so.
So are Starbases a Zen Store purchase? is the upcoming Reputation systems also a Zen Store purchases?

If they are they lets drop the pretend and put it there, not destroying the Commendation system so Cryptic can go about saying its not Zen Store purchases since they only fooling the people that refuse to see and those people would line up and jump at the opportunity to defend all things Cryptic.
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# 270
11-01-2012, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by f2pdrakron View Post
So are Starbases a Zen Store purchase?
They aren't. And they are even less usefull than they used to be.

Since the new c-store ships should have 10 consoles after the sovereign failure (they won't admit it but this ship wasn't a success at all, you'll see very few people flying it), you don't even need fleet ships. New c-store ones will have up to par stats. And of course the lockbox ones will remain slightly superior.

You didn't need the starbases' weaponry: the STF store is still free in season 6, and you will unlock new stuff in your personal stores through reputation. Of course this weaponry is competitive with the fleet one; there's nothing you need in the fleet stores, except the hangar pets (and fleet hangar pets might not be that great since some guys can't stop whinning about runabouts. ). And of course the STF sets are better than any fleet gear, because they have good bonuses and powers.

So, if you're logical, you should stop working on your starbase right now. There was little to no reason to start a starbase before season 6; with season 7, there is absolutely no reason to upgrade it anymore. Their rewards sucks. They have no use, everything can be found in other stores or on the exchange. Eventually, they will toss better carrier pets in the lockboxes and there will be zero reason to even consider spending something in the starbases.
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