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# 21
11-01-2012, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by razellis View Post
That does sound like an awesome support pet.

On the list of possible offensive powers scramble sensors is VERY buggy and would make PVP hellish, SubNuke would be far too powerful.
Yeah, I'm not really a big sci captain so I'm not hugely familiar with the science skills. Hmm...


Hangar- Aeroshuttle Support Craft
Cooldown, 1:20
Aeroshuttle Gear:
Phaser Beam Array
Micro-Photon Torpedo Launcher
Charged Particle Burst I
Transfer Shield Strength I

Hangar- Advanced Aeroshuttle Support Craft
Cooldown: 1:20
Aeroshuttle Gear:
Antiproton Beam Array
Chroniton Torpedo Launcher
Charged Particle Burst I
Aceton Beam II
Engineering Team I
Transfer Shield Strength II

Something like that, then, perhaps? If you're going to launch a new Fed science carrier or cruiser/science flight deck carrier, make those the default pets and make them available to all Fed full carriers (because, AFAIK, half-carriers can't carry frigates...probably properly, in my opinion).

It really wouldn't make them a carbon copy of the Klingon frigates at all. They'd be similar, but distinctively different.
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# 22
11-01-2012, 10:19 AM
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You know the birds of prey parked outside DS9 too, right?
Yeah and the PoB shoudn't be fighter ship either Orions have the best.
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# 23
11-01-2012, 10:26 AM
if you had defiant class fighters then you would pretty much have a small fleet. if you've actually watched DS9 then you'll know that even though the defiant is a small ship, it's still much bigger than a fighter. plus it would make the game far too easy. defiant class ship is a beast!
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# 24
11-01-2012, 10:31 AM
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if you had defiant class fighters then you would pretty much have a small fleet. if you've actually watched DS9 then you'll know that even though the defiant is a small ship, it's still much bigger than a fighter. plus it would make the game far too easy. defiant class ship is a beast!
The point is that it would obviously not be exactly the same specs as a player defiant. Just like the Klingon BOP carrier pets are not equivalent to player ships.
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# 25
11-01-2012, 10:43 AM
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The point is that it would obviously not be exactly the same specs as a player defiant. Just like the Klingon BOP carrier pets are not equivalent to player ships.
Then it isn't a Defiant or BoP.
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# 26
11-01-2012, 10:56 AM
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You know the birds of prey parked outside DS9 too, right?
Crew size? a B'rel (SHIP version) has a crew of 30 or less, depending on damage (no more than 30). Puts it more on scale with a runabout than a full on escort such as the Defiant class.


Nobody really KNOWS how many bodies in a FerJai, but it's listed as a Frigate. Fed Frigates include vessels with over 200 headcount bodies inside (Nebula, Shi'kar and Centaur). we DO know Fer'jai frigates are pretty easy kills-unlike Defiants *Yes, even NPC Defiants.

Defiant's already one of the best full-on ESCORTS in the game, and the fleet version of said Defiant is arguably THE best full-on Escort, able to Tank AND DPS at levels no KDF ship can even MATCH...and you want this OP-better-than-a-bugship as a CARRIER PET??

even the T3 Defiant is more comparable to a T4 Raptor than ANY level BoP, and the ones carried on the Vo'Quv (allegedly the only ship big enough TO carry them) are NOT the retrofit with the ebc, but rather copies of the old-pre-F2P B'rels you used to be able to start at L1 with as KDF. (Say it with me now, 3 forward weapons, 1 aft, toilet paper hull, and shields equivalent to praying really, really hard to an apathetic and uncaring god.)

The FerJai frigates are, on balance, a bit sucktastic compared to things like Advanced Danube Runabouts, since they share the "tissue hull and pray hard shielding", and Tric weapons are SLOW, visible, and CAN be countered (esp. if you're a carrier using...y'know, Fighters and stuff.)

I just don't see either nerfing the Defiant's NPC brethren FURTHER to balance them against OTHER PETS, nor do I see it as being all that acceptable to put full-blown, GOOD Escorts in a hangar bay.
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# 27
11-01-2012, 11:24 AM
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Crew size? a B'rel (SHIP version) has a crew of 30 or less, depending on damage (no more than 30). Puts it more on scale with a runabout than a full on escort such as the Defiant class.
A runabout has a crew of two, and the Defiant has a crew of 50. So, based on your logic, the B'rel is actually much closer to the Defiant than to a runabout.

In truth, they're also used in much the same way. How often did Gowron's BOP run around with the Defiant as essentially equivalent ships? Same size, same classification, same use as a hit-and-run raider, whereas the Runabout was much more like a shuttlecraft.

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I just don't see either nerfing the Defiant's NPC brethren FURTHER to balance them against OTHER PETS, nor do I see it as being all that acceptable to put full-blown, GOOD Escorts in a hangar bay.
You do realize that they would create a separate NPC carrier pet for a Defiant carrier pet, right? They wouldn't just slap in the regular NPC defiant!
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# 28
11-01-2012, 11:29 AM
I don't care what ship class it is, I could really use a frigate. I miss my Fer'Jai.
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# 29
11-01-2012, 11:52 AM
This post us just funny.. U feds guys wanna new pets that are eq. to BoP`s? really? Well no can do my peeps!!! And here is why: in past few monts FED`s are geting new ships ONE AFTER THE ANOTHER, and KDF........ yes, a huge middle finger frome PW and CRYPTIC. Also u are now getting a new sci ship, with a !!!HANGAR BAY!!!and u want MORE? Ok, just stop right there bcs this your requests are just stupid. Every time when new FED ONLY ship comes out KDF is b***g, and with full rights on it bcs lets just face it, when did KDF got new ship last time....????
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# 30
11-01-2012, 12:03 PM
Well first off while I would like to see a Federation heavy carrier pet, I would not like to see a carbon copy of the KDF's B'rels and Far'jai frigates. The Federation one should have a distinctive defensive flavor to the KDF's offensive flavor.

The Raven type would be a good start. Perhaps as a heavy engineering craft. It would be equipped with shield extends and hazard emitters, and be armed with some kind of point defense phaser and micro-torpedoes.

Maybe have a science heavy craft which could be based on the Maquis raider with tacyon beams and siphons, it would be armed with dual phaser banks and torpedoes.
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