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# 61
11-01-2012, 10:49 PM
Thinking back to what you said earlier about my RSV build actually got me thinking about my Star Cruiser build - in regard to having EWP2 on it. He's got 0 in Particle. So it's doing wee damage - just the snare. Would it be better to perhaps switch that out? It's come in handy for the snare when somebody decides to sit on my butt... but... meh.

Maybe move RSP2 tp RSP3? Then one of the AtB1's to AtB2? Then a case of adding either another EPtS or ET? Maybe even another DEM?

It feels weird flying without AtS - but I'm not sure how that shared CD would throw off the dual AtB's?

I'm definitely more comfortable flying SV or Escorts... so I appreciate the patience with some of these questions.

edit: Lolkay, two DEMs is a no-no. The 2 min CD on the first one triggered finishes before the triggered shared 45 second CD on the second...lol, meh. Oh well.

edit: Man, this is rough. Even a triggered shared CD of 15s results in problems. TT and ET for example. W/O AtB - you just trade them off TT-15s-ET-15s-TT. W/ AtB - you're still eating the 15s. Sure, you're pretty much near the choice of selecting which one as if you hadn't triggered one - but as soon as you trigger one, you're waiting 15s again. I suppose it gives you the option of whether you need TT or ET - but you're trading off the ability to TT - lil wait - TT - lil wait - TT. I suppose the option of having TT or ET like it provides is a good thing, though. I'm going to back and read the post about AtB again...
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# 62
11-01-2012, 10:56 PM
VirusDancer, why don't you play nebula as cruiser instead ?
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# 63
11-01-2012, 11:39 PM
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VirusDancer, why don't you play nebula as cruiser instead ?
I had been taking a hard look at the Nebula for some time now. I kind of stopped looking when they released the stats for the Vesta. I would have had enough zen for one by next weekend...but I had a "Gotta Get A Bug" moment and blew through all my Zen - sans bug. I did get an awesome Purple DOFF that increases the number of shuttles launched by Boarding Party! /mehgag

Didn't want the bug to fly - wanted it to sell - but oh well.

I liked some of the decent builds out there for the Nebula - and I liked some of the flaky stuff that I tend to do that I could have done.

I might try to grind my way to one - Hell, I might even break out the wallet for one... even though I hate that idea on so many levels...

...but still, with the Vesta there - it pseudo killed my desire for one.

I've said it a few times, but as more and more discussion about S7 has taken place - I've found myself in limbo.
Willard the Rat, Reman, F.T'varo - Rave, J.Trill, Kar'Fi - Mysk, Gorn, Varanus
Maal, Klingon, Mogh - Vegar, Orion, Marauder
Nivuh, Ferasan, B'rel - Venit, Lethaen, M.Qin - Kopor, Nausicaan, Guramba
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# 64
11-02-2012, 12:30 AM
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well actually....

the fleet ships based off tier 2 and 3 ships seem down on stats a bit, they have the nice 10th consoles, but their shield mod is usually sub par. BUT, i have found all tier 2 and 3 vet ships have a hidden chunk of bonus hitpoints thats undocumented, and as a result shields with lower capacities like borg, omega and maco end up having more hitpoints on tier 2/3 fleet ships then tier 5 fleet ships. basically, the fleet saber with a maco will have more hitpoints then a fleet patrol with a maco, and the saber has 1 better turn rate too.

If it weren't for the new vetscort, i would still be running my little saber.
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# 65
11-02-2012, 03:47 AM
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If it weren't for the new vetscort, i would still be running my little saber.
true that. the vets push all the right buttons. my favorite thing to fly are DHC movement controlling battle cruisers, its an art to make those work. the vet ship is a battle cruiser in the frame of an escort, so its every thing i love, with vastly better mobility and firepower.
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# 66
11-04-2012, 01:10 AM
patrol escort, fleet patrol escort, fleet escort/mirror qin, retrofit somraw, retrofit scourge, fleet somraw

this is a sturdy simple escort with a desirable station setup that it shares with the fleet patrol and fleet escort. this is proboly the best place to start out at when learning an escort

4 DHC, 3 turrets

TT1, CSV1, APO1, APO3
TT1, APD1, CRF2

EPtS1, RSP1
EPtS1

TSS1, HE2

station power long form here

you can cycle EPtS1 here easily, and you also have the life saveing RSP to fall back on when your shields are beat down. another option in place of RSP is AtS1, a small hull heal and resist you can use every 15 seconds.

equipment

borg deflector
borg engine
maco shield

consoles

2 turn, 1 neutronium

borg, field projector

4 energy type consoles



advanced escort, fleet patrol escort/fleet scourge

the advanced escort is a little trickier to use like the defient with only its 2 engineering stations. but it can have 2 sci based heals, and something more interesting for its 3rd sci power.

4 DHC, 3 turrets

TT1, CSV1, APO1, APO3
TT1, APD1, CRF2

EPtS1, EPtS2
TSS1, TBR1
HE1



equipment

borg deflector
borg engine
maco shield

consoles

1 turn, borg

3 partial generators

4 energy type consoles

tractor beam repulsers, or TBR, is a skill that can deal kinetic damage directly to an opponents hull wile also pushing him around. fully tac buffed, and if particle generators is speced enough on the skill tree along with several particle consoles, you will deal thousands of damage per pulse. te damage can also be approximately doubled from there when you use all the tac captain buffs at once.


doffs

evasive maneuver cooldown reducing conn doffs, shield distribution doffs


CSV's damage is actually just slightly lower then CRF's at level 1, and it can be an extreamly useful ability too at killing spam or dealing full damage to more then 1 opponent in its fireing arc. CRF3 is for your main spike.

the 2 APO are your get out of hold free card, they let you shrug of anything from a tractor beam to warp plasma, and increase your speed greatly. wile those 2 are cooling down, APD will be usable, this is a great defensive skill that increases your defense, or the defense of an ally if you use it on them.
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# 67
11-04-2012, 05:04 AM
Got a question regarding current KDF endgame sets- My TAC in a Qin (soon to be Somraw) who uses only energy weapons now has both omega and KHG sets in mk11, as well as a mk12 KHG shield. I currently run mk11 omega with the mk12 KHG shield and tho they're quite effective in PvE I'm hesitant about trying it in PvP. I've recently earned a full mk12 set (ya, all 3 pieces) and was wondering which complete set would be best for my particular ship/weapons, and TAC capt. I DO sometimes mount a torp for certain PvE missions but thats NOT what this toon is being setup for.


I love the KHG shield but noticed the shield take forever to naturally recharge running with a mk12 field gen and a mk11 emitter array, but am unsure if the omega mk12 will last long enough in a PvP environemt even with my second field gen mounted.

I LOVE the KHG power bonus from the engines, but noticed the mk11 and 12 are identical.

I'm unsure about the deflectors, they appear pretty similiar but I think the edge goes to the KHG.

As well, the glider bonus appears identical between both mk11 and 12, and as I rarely cloak I don't know if the KHG 3piece masking bonus will be much benefit to me tho the gravatic anchor from the omega set looks interesting. Please forgive my questions as I've been running Aegis and have no experience with either of these sets until very recently.

So, wadda ya think ?
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# 68
11-04-2012, 05:26 AM
Filling a KHG without a good healthy Science Team can definitely be a pain, you can go the dirty route and rely on RSP (won't hurt your EPtS uptime on the mirror Qin/Somraw) but in all honesty I'd recommend just taking Omega.

KHG is a weird set altogether really, it has the absolute most perfect science deflector in the game (and a great sci two-piece bonus for that matter) but I have no love for the engines, Omega blow them clean out of the water.

I only ever use KHG if I'm packing torps, in your case I'd go full Omega. There are also some nice fleet options that appeal more than KHG in my opinion (ResA shields, [Spd]x3 or [Turn]x3 engines).

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# 69
11-04-2012, 06:02 AM
Hmm, looks like ya sold me on the omega. I've been struggling to justify that shield as it's weaker than the Aegis, but after doing the math I see the second field gen is a MUST to make the shield equal to the KHG with a single field gen- but i get twice the recharge rate of the KHG.

BTW, doesn anyone remember what happened to the thread containing the confirmed shield modifier numbers on the fleet ships ? Search function isn't being nice to me this morning.
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# 70
11-04-2012, 06:57 AM
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I had been taking a hard look at the Nebula for some time now. I kind of stopped looking when they released the stats for the Vesta. I would have had enough zen for one by next weekend...but I had a "Gotta Get A Bug" moment and blew through all my Zen - sans bug. I did get an awesome Purple DOFF that increases the number of shuttles launched by Boarding Party! /mehgag

Didn't want the bug to fly - wanted it to sell - but oh well.

I liked some of the decent builds out there for the Nebula - and I liked some of the flaky stuff that I tend to do that I could have done.

I might try to grind my way to one - Hell, I might even break out the wallet for one... even though I hate that idea on so many levels...

...but still, with the Vesta there - it pseudo killed my desire for one.

I've said it a few times, but as more and more discussion about S7 has taken place - I've found myself in limbo.
Nebbie's still a fine ship, especially at Fleet level. She actually turns better than the Excel (which is famed for her turn Fed-side) and she has the slots to spare for RCS if you want to make her an offensive-Sci.

The Vesta is still a complete unknown, sure she looks like a pain on paper but she could also be a complete dud. I'd also add that if you're just getting started, a weird hybrid like the Vesta wouldn't be terribly forgiving, while the Nebbie is both innately very tanky and can comfortably slot some of the best sci layouts.

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