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# 11
11-02-2012, 01:42 AM
This is great! Just what we need for our Warriors to show the Federation that we mean business!
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# 12
11-02-2012, 01:49 AM
I like these ideas basically somewhat close to idea I had in misplaced forum category. I would just say though there are enough vor'cha variants out there already though. Two are free, 2 fleet ships D7 skin on vorcha and then the fleet vor'cha. I would recommend since the Fleet Negh'var isn't that great that this ship idea be molded after the negh'var but more into what has been done with federation new retrofits like the regent.

Mostly what I would like to see is something like the vesta either one ship that can have functions to have moving parts like the new 1000-day veteran ship but function like the commands the multivector has for moving those parts and stat changes when altering the form of the ship... Or..

Something like a 3 ship pack idea where you either get a bop or raptor, negh'var retrofit, and a carrier retrofit. Anyways the similarities and everyones views come down to a few common ground issues.

#1. The KDF has been ignored for so long with ship developement when you ask a fellow KDF playing friend how many fed ships have come out since the bortasqu' their answer is simple. I lost count after counting all my fingers and toes.

#2. Our Heavy Battle Cruisers are just mere copies of federation ships and nothing to show uniqueness besides a standard cloak and DHC's so in all rights we want our KDF ships to have what one federation captain said in a DS9 episode... It needs some TEETH.

#3. It is getting to a point the only way we can expect to get anything with KDF sticker slapped on the side is if its something we can buy through the exchange or pay gobs of money that is not credited to players of the faction in the form of lockboxes and lobi store.

#4. I remember a dev stating once in defense of making fluff that they have to make things for every demographic of the playerbase. Which as the KDF community sees federation ship after federation ship in the C-store and all we got was the bortasqu' in the form of C-store ship and nothing since then which has been atleast or close to a whole year.

#5. Lastly this one comes as something we know is going to happen unless Cryptic changes what its doing with ignoring the KDF. We all know at some point the level cap will increase beyond the current max of Level 50. That being said we will most likely not see KDF ships for that new max level because the current rate of only federation ships being pumped out there will not be anything for the KDF faction and we will be resorting to using ships at an extreme disadvantage more than they can be percieved now.
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# 13
11-02-2012, 03:44 PM
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I would just say though there are enough vor'cha variants out there already though. Two are free, 2 fleet ships D7 skin on vorcha and then the fleet vor'cha. I would recommend since the Fleet Negh'var isn't that great that this ship idea be molded after the negh'var but more into what has been done with federation new retrofits like the regent.
I know that there are a lot of variants of the Vor'cha out there (T4, T5, Mirror, and Fleet) and that's why I wasn't advocating it's use, and to be honest there are a lot of D7 variants out there too (T3, T5, and Fleet) and I'm not even sure if this would work well with the design profile of the D7. As for the Negh'var, I don't think it would be a good choice simply because it would be very difficult to justify the radical changes in stats between the T5 and Fleet versions to what I listed or what anybody else has listed for possible counters to the Vesta.

In all honestly though, while I would love to get a fresh Klingon (yes Klingon) ship design, I'd be willing to take a variant of any of those three if it meant they gave it to us.

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# 14
11-03-2012, 05:29 AM
While I'm not that big a fan of carriers, I really like this idea.
In terms of design, I could see a ship similar to a slightly stretched version of the 1000 day destroyer for such a task.

Regarding aestetics I'd say maybe the Centauri from the old "Bablyon 5 Wars" tabletop could be a good source of ideas (though certainly not when it comes to colours)

http://zappa.brainiac.com/spaceship/.../Altarian.jpeg

http://www.agentsofgaming.com/4new.jpg

their destroyers and strike cruisers have a visible hangar on their back.
I think something similar would work pretty well in a Klingon designed ship.

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# 15
11-04-2012, 10:16 AM
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While I'm not that big a fan of carriers, I really like this idea.
In terms of design, I could see a ship similar to a slightly stretched version of the 1000 day destroyer for such a task.
I know what you mean, and I myself am a little conflicted on proposing another ship with a hangar bay, however with that said I do think that we need a counter to the newest Federation ship, and I hope that Cryptic will take note of this particular design

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# 16
11-04-2012, 01:27 PM
Loving the idea, we really need some kind of KDF counterpart to the Vesta.

Your little back story for the ship class is brilliant and plays a little into a conversation I was having with some fleet mates earlier today, the KDF's Vesta should be a collaborative effort among the races that make up the Klingon Empire.

So I would build on the idea with this, the 3 variants should represent 3 of the Main KDF species.

Tactical version = Klingon design
Engineering version = Orion design
Science version = Gorn design

A radical idea I know, but the 3 versions could all share the same basic overall shape and underlying design yet at each one would have the style and spirit of there respective races.

The designs probably couldn't be kit-bashed in the tailor, but could at least be interchangeable.
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# 17
11-04-2012, 08:26 PM
I like the Klingon, Gorn, Orion idea.
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# 18
11-04-2012, 08:44 PM
I like it. Only change I would make is to the bridge officer seating:

LtC Sci, Lt Tac, Lt Eng, Ens Universal, Cmdr Universal

But I think the Cmdr Seat in all KDF should be Universal because I fly a BoP.
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# 19
11-05-2012, 12:15 PM
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Loving the idea, we really need some kind of KDF counterpart to the Vesta.

Your little back story for the ship class is brilliant and plays a little into a conversation I was having with some fleet mates earlier today, the KDF's Vesta should be a collaborative effort among the races that make up the Klingon Empire.
Thanks

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Originally Posted by ufpdodgers View Post
So I would build on the idea with this, the 3 variants should represent 3 of the Main KDF species.

Tactical version = Klingon design
Engineering version = Orion design
Science version = Gorn design

A radical idea I know, but the 3 versions could all share the same basic overall shape and underlying design yet at each one would have the style and spirit of there respective races.

The designs probably couldn't be kit-bashed in the tailor, but could at least be interchangeable.
I don't know, I think it would be interesting that's for sure but it would be a lot more work for cryptic so I don't think we'll ever see that. But to be honest, I'd be happy if they just gave it to us with a fresh Klingon design really .

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I like it. Only change I would make is to the bridge officer seating:

LtC Sci, Lt Tac, Lt Eng, Ens Universal, Cmdr Universal

But I think the Cmdr Seat in all KDF should be Universal because I fly a BoP.
Well I considered that, but remember this is supposed to be a parallel/counter to the Vesta, and a Cmdr Universal would make it better than the fed version so the likelihood of it happening would be incredibly low I would think.

But like I've said, hopefully Cryptic takes note of this thread and grants the request .

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# 20
11-05-2012, 08:52 PM
Yeah odds are if it can't be copied and spray painted and called Klingon and then nerfed to please fed only players then odds are we won't be getting it for the KDF.

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