Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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An open letter to the developers.

This thread will probably get buried amongst the everything else about Season 7. But I have to get this off my chest. Simply said credit player who having diligently doing STF is quest for the Mk XII gear piece with Omega Reputation. Give the most diligent players Tier 5 from the very start. And scale it down from there. According to you, some players have been trying for a year, or more, trying to complete those Mk XII sets. Locking them out for 2-3 more months (or more) of of getting Mk XII equipment is punishment to those players.

Let me give a highly improbably hypothetical, but one that clearly makes my point. Player John doe is a casual player. He can play 2 or 3 times a week for an hour, maybe more. He knows under the current system, it would be a miracle for him to get a Mk XII set, so he settles for getting a Mk XI set. John has been working on doing STF when he can and has gotten 2 pieces of his Mk XI set. He's quite please with his progress.

On the night before Season 7 goes live he's working on getting those last 40 EDCs so he can complete his Mk XI set. He's up to 39 EDC and it's getting late. He's close, but he need to get up and go to work tomorrow. He's finish up with once more STF tomorrow or the next day.

Season goes lives. He's STF currencies are converted go locked away from his use. He's in a few days later, see Season 7 is launched, starts patching up his game client and reading the patch notes (or maybe not). But eventually he finds out those 39 EDC have been locked up out of his reach. He finds out from a new site or the forums, he got to way 60 days to reach Tier 5 of Omega Reputation before he can access STF currencies again. That's 60 days if you log in virtually every day to make progress. But John can't login every day. He's got 2 or 3 days a week at most. So that's 90, 120, or 180 or more.

He's got a wait months before he can complete his Mk XI set. Now, how do you think John feels about that. I know how I would feel about that. And it's not a positive emotion.

Thank for your time in reading this.
Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 507
# 2
11-04-2012, 05:17 PM
In short are you saying that those who already have or are close to completing mkxi and mkxii sets should not be made to start over again and be scaled to a correct corresponding level on the reputation scale?

If so I agree, because I am in that boat with mk xii psg and armour for two toons and been trying for a while to get the gun. I'd feel gutted having to grind all the way up past tonnes of gear that would be useless to me as I already have it, just to get the missing bit of equipment.
Commander
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 255
# 3
11-04-2012, 05:34 PM
I hear what your saying, I spent the last couple days grinding IGE like crazy, I finally finished my Mk XII Omega set, and I am totally thrilled with it. But I can totally appreciate the situation you outlined, and having staired that basic concept in the eye I total feel everyone else who has considered it.

That said having looked over the rep tree, seen the new abilities rewarded by the system, I can accept that they want fresh efforts to get them. I do agree that the boxing of rewards is a less then ideal solution, and that players should not have their previous rewards taken away, doing so invalidates their efforts. Now I understand their not really taken away they are just held in trust, and that there is "interest" in the form of bonus dilithium rewarded when they are returned. But lets face it, tier 5 is going to be 2-3 months off for hardcore players. John Doe, getting in 3-4 hours a week, is probably looking at 3-4 months probably a little longer, depending on how long he's played and how well he knows the game.

So unless that bonus, is substantial I can't see how this method of conversion is a good idea, from the players stand point.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 4
11-04-2012, 06:14 PM
Further thoughts. I have focused too much on the Currency issue. There is also an issue of effort. The Omega Reputation system isn't like the Romulan Reputation system. The Romulan Rep. system has new game play in order to advance in it. However, the Omega Reputation system is be retrofitted onto existing game play.

It is game player that player have spent thousands of player hours doing. I dear say that there are more than just a few player who have earned Tier 5 in the Omega Reputation System many times over. Those player an other should be credited with an appropriate level of reputation along with the commiserate system rewards.

Let me repeat Omega Fleet (i.e. STFs) game play is NOT new. Player should be credited an appropriate amount of Reputation in proportion to their STF game play. All the who up to Tier 5.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 5
11-04-2012, 06:15 PM
Conversion should be available at the start not Tier 5 so players have the choice to use it for rewards or level up. A person could get the Mk XII STF set by just afking so should those people be rewarded for doing nothing? Also people could do hundreds of elite STFs and not get a single Mk XII STF piece. It is far easier for people to all start at the beginning. People will still have to earn their rewards since there are new powers and equipment available. So getting access to the new equipment at the start is not fair for those just starting. If it was just the current rewards, then it wouldn't matter if people got rewarded for current effort. However, the introduction of Borg Weapons, the Borg Mk XII set, and the Adapted sets makes it a problem.
Captain
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# 6
11-04-2012, 06:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vitzh View Post
In short are you saying that those who already have or are close to completing mkxi and mkxii sets should not be made to start over again and be scaled to a correct corresponding level on the reputation scale?
No, not quite what I'm trying to say. I'm saying that player should be granted scaled rewards as to how much effort they have made in playing STFs. I don't want to depend on how lucky some players get. That would be unfair to players who have been trying for months or more.

The most logical measure would be using the trackers that the accolade system uses. Ally an appropriate weight to Normal and Elite STFs, total then and them award reputation based on the net total.

Quote:
If so I agree, because I am in that boat with mk xii psg and armour for two toons and been trying for a while to get the gun. I'd feel gutted having to grind all the way up past tonnes of gear that would be useless to me as I already have it, just to get the missing bit of equipment.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 989
# 7
11-04-2012, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by starkaos View Post
...People will still have to earn their rewards since there are new powers and equipment available. So getting access to the new equipment at the start is not fair for those just starting. ...
I disagree with you on this. The new system is very fair for new player. It's is very determinate. Player know exactly now much they need to put into the system in order to get exactly what they want. The old system was determinate for Mk X and XI gear, if didn't' get luck with a drop before hand. But Mk XII gear is a purely a roll of the dice. You didn't know if you needed 3 STF or 3000 before you get the 3 needed drops.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 6,416
# 8
11-04-2012, 07:17 PM
Oh it's fair for the new player, but far for those who been playing for months and years.


This system supposed to be easier for those to get their STF Sets, yet those same people that they are helping, they told them they can't have their sets and have to wait longer to unlock them and them pay 34000-36000 Dilithium per Set, on top of the 3 new set Pieces and MK12 Borg weapons. And to add insult to injury, their savings are locked up.

So its like a Family Guy episode where kicking someone between the legs is supposed to be good for them.


Would've been better if the system supplemented the existing STF runs and accounted for the work done. But Cryptic can't keep reinventing the wheel (STFs) every two seasons.

Last edited by azurianstar; 11-04-2012 at 08:10 PM.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 9
11-04-2012, 09:33 PM
First off, Mk XI is tier III/IV range IIRC, not tier V omega rep. Thusly, it won't take the full 2 months + piles of STFs to get there, month to a month and a half off the top of my head.

Secondly, we don't know the prices for the lower mark gear, everyone keeps talking about the "holy grail Mk XIIs". Only sucky part about their current plans is that the conversion payout for the 39 EDCs that are trapped up in the box won't pop until Tier V (and the two month warning) is hit, but if I was facing that, I'd be seriously considering spending 30 EDCs on the Dilithium boxes and letting the last 9 go into the box for dilth/marks later rather than letting all 39 get locked up unless it gives me enough to get a Mk XII part straight off on day 1 of tier V...

Third off, at the mythical "one left" point, I'd be tempted to run one last normal even though I should be sleeping rather than let all that work go to waste...
Well, with the upgrade announcement leaving NX and Connie fans in the dust again, can we restart / revisit the T5 Connie and NX threads - since they will no longer be "truly" endgame ships... (after we get the T5 versions, it'll be time to see them added to the T5U upgrade charts too...
Rihannsu
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 866
# 10
11-05-2012, 02:31 AM
I don't get the purpose of locking away the converted rewards. Does an STF run the day before the patch not deserve the same reward as one the day after?
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