Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 419
# 1 STF Conversion Rate Feedback
11-06-2012, 11:14 PM
Since there's a thread on the actual STF "currency" conversion rates, I figured there needs to be a dedicated thread to the feedback of said crates.

WHile I've not checked my own toon (too late at night so will do it tomorrow), I am concerned with what I'm seeing.

In a Dev Blog forum post by Dan Stahl, it was said that our "purchasing power" would be the close to what it is under S6.

Source: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...1&postcount=27

Quote:
- The goal of the conversion is to retain "purchasing power" as close to what it was previously. We looked at the amount of items needed to obtain gear sets and set out to ensure that if you had enough items to get a specific gear piece or gear set, the conversion would be do its best to retain that purchasing power in the new system. Keep in mind that the way you obtain MACO/HONOR/OMEGA sets is going to be different because it will no longer be in a store, and will instead be via projects. So just having a conversion rate would not necessarily help you decide whether to cash out yet or not. The way you obtain dilithium and gear is changing in this system and you'll be able to see most of those changes on Tribble.
Okay, so the way I interpreted this was "Certain levels of Tech could become whatever it'll take to get them in the new system." I kind of figured EDCs = Omega Marks, Salvage = Dilithium and/or Borg Neural Processors, and Tech = enough of each material to get what would have been the related item.

However, here's what I'm seeing from the Conversion Rate thread:

Quote:
Originally Posted by starfleetmaco View Post
[Rare Borg Shield Tech]x6

[Rare Borg PSG Tech]x5

[Rare Borg Weapon Tech]x3

[Rare Borg Engine Tech]x4

[Rare Borg Deflector Tech]x1

[Prototype Borg PSG Tech]x7

EDC x508



Got: 4000 omega marks, 15 neural processors, and 16k dil
To retain the purchasing power based on what the current Mk XII costs are, let's look at just the 7x Prototype Borg PSG Techs. This player should have received at minimum 7000 Omega Marks, 70 Borg Neural Processors, and 238,000 Dilithium. This is not counting the Rare techs and EDCs. Add in the 11 Rare techs for space stuff (Mk XI) and you get an additional 11,000 Omega Marks and 170,000 Dilithium.


Let me look at another player:

Quote:
Originally Posted by inputend21 View Post
Character 1

354 EDC
5 Proto Deflectors techs
2 Proto Engine Techs
5 Proto Shield Techs
52 Proto Salvage

3500 Omega marks
15 Neural Processors
8K ore
That's a total of 12 Proto space set techs. That should be a minimum of 12000 Omega Marks, 120 Borg Neural Processors, and 408,000 Dilithium.


The same purchasing power? Hardly. It's not even enough to get what ONE proto tech could have gotten.

So I see you said "roughly" the same purchasing power. So take perhaps 10-20% off those numbers. Not exactly the same, but at least these players could pick up a few pieces from their converted techs.

Did we misunderstand what "retain purchasing power" meant?

You may need to re-define costs to match what your conversions gave, or else give a ton more than what's here.

Why?

It looks like you lied in that post from the Dev Blog thread, and that's bad for business in the long run.
Commander
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 255
# 2
11-06-2012, 11:23 PM
The only logical thing to do is Cash in. We can grind out omega marks, and Neural whats its later. Cash in get the dilithium now, that bonus amount is laughable. No one is surprised given the dilithium conversion.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 883
# 3
11-07-2012, 12:04 AM
It is not a conversion and there is no "retained purchasing power", it is daylight robbery or theft in every sense of the word.

Should be used to this by now though as this is what Cryptic does. They did the same with the dilithium conversion and now with the Omega conversion....
Ensign
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 10
# 4
11-07-2012, 12:11 AM
Another cheap scam.
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13 Proto Shields
1 Proto Deflector
9 Rare Shields
2 Rare Engines
1 Rare Deflector
1 Rare Armor Tech
179 EDC
36 Proto Salvaage
35 Rare Salvage

All of this equals 3500 Marks, 15 Neaural Processors and 8000 Dilithium.

Now I know why they waited so long to release these numbers.

This is utterly unacceptable bull****. Yes, I cursed. Total crap.

You nerf our sets, we complain, you say nothing.

You cut out income from STFs, we complain, you say nothing.

You cut random loot from STFs, we complain, you say nothing.

You then give us some nice "Greek tender loving" without a certain petroleum jelly and tell us it's for our own good. But you don't even kiss us; you make us wait to T-5?

That's it. Done.

Later.

Doc, you can have my **** and distribute it to the fleet. lol


EDIT: THere seems to be a "HARD CAP" going on here. Can someone plz run the numbers? I am too buzzed and too angry to do so. (hence my name)

Last edited by badname834854; 11-07-2012 at 12:25 AM.
Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 318
# 6
11-07-2012, 12:29 AM
Robbery. The kind involving a bat and a dark alleyway. It is in no way connected to their current in game worth.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,395
# 7
11-07-2012, 12:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by badname834854 View Post
13 Proto Shields
1 Proto Deflector
9 Rare Shields
2 Rare Engines
1 Rare Deflector
1 Rare Armor Tech
179 EDC
36 Proto Salvaage
35 Rare Salvage

All of this equals 3500 Marks, 15 Neaural Processors and 8000 Dilithium.

Now I know why they waited so long to release these numbers.

This is utterly unacceptable bull****. Yes, I cursed. Total crap.

You nerf our sets, we complain, you say nothing.

You cut out income from STFs, we complain, you say nothing.

You cut random loot from STFs, we complain, you say nothing.

You then give us some nice "Greek tender loving" without a certain petroleum jelly and tell us it's for our own good. But you don't even kiss us; you make us wait to T-5?

That's it. Done.

Later.

Doc, you can have my **** and distribute it to the fleet. lol


EDIT: THere seems to be a "HARD CAP" going on here. Can someone plz run the numbers? I am too buzzed and too angry to do so. (hence my name)
It seems tiered in some way. I think it's probably to hit those people with crazy amounts of loot the hardest (though I'm not sure why since none of us gets any of this stuff for the better part of a month).

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Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 238
# 8
11-07-2012, 12:38 AM
I had

6 EDC, 45 Prototype Borg Salvage,
1 Prototype Shield Tech, 1 Prototype Deflector Tech, 1 Prototype Engine Tech
1 Prototype Weapon Tech

turned into

2000 Marks 9 BNP 2000 Dil

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Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 777
# 9
11-07-2012, 01:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by obertheromulan View Post
I had

6 EDC, 45 Prototype Borg Salvage,
1 Prototype Shield Tech, 1 Prototype Deflector Tech, 1 Prototype Engine Tech
1 Prototype Weapon Tech

turned into

2000 Marks 9 BNP 2000 Dil

I get the exact same outcome with just 65 EDC.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 696
# 10
11-07-2012, 01:28 AM
EDC 129
Rare Borg Salvage 82
Prototype Borg Salvage 29
Common Shield 8
Rare Shield 9
Prototype Shield 3
Common Engine 2
Rare Engine 1
Common Deflector 1
Rare Deflector 1
Prototype Engine 1



3000 Omega , 13 Borg Neural and 4000 Dilithium



I just cashed in for just over 200,000 Ore and 2 Blue Borg officers (as i had the Purples but not them) , anything i get from now on ill let convert
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