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# 71
11-07-2012, 07:38 AM
ok seriously Cryptic/PW ??

you really want us out of this game dont you??

so,we spend time playing your so called content,so just you come once a whille and harvest all we done??

players that dont play gets a boost and players that play gets the hammer??


wth logic is this??

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# 72
11-07-2012, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by vsilverwings1 View Post
Is Marchob's data complete ? If so then 1 edc=1 proto salvage, which is an insane conversion by cryptic.
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# 73
11-07-2012, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by lordmalak1 View Post
Is Marchob's data complete ? If so then 1 edc=1 proto salvage, which is an insane conversion by cryptic.
My point was to demonstrate that each loot doesn't appear to hold any value. It's based on a tier system so it could work a number of ways;

1 edc = 1 proto if you own 1-10 edc
2 edc = 1 proto if you own 11-20 edc

Or maybe it's based on a common dil ore in which case <50k ore = x:y:z loot and 50k< <100k is 2x:2y:2z.

Without knowing these details it's impossible to find a conversion.
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# 74
11-07-2012, 08:24 AM
The discussion has become fairly irrelevant, barring a change in the conversion rate, the answer is clear. Convert to dilithium now. It is likely that there is a minimum, number (like 1 edc or something similar), that will be optimally profitable. But anything beyond that should be converted to Dilithium, and we should move on. If you wish continue find that minimum profit point.
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# 75
11-07-2012, 08:29 AM
Keep the data coming, I am putting it all into an Excel spreadsheet and will analyze it with a Discriminant Function Analysis (DFA) to look at where the group ?break? points are. Please only post in one thread. Right now I have 49 of your transfers in here and I can see the following pattern for the tiers:

Tier 1 - (4) 250 OM, 1 BNP, 0 Dil
Tier 2 - (2) 500 OM, 3 BNP, 0 Dil
Tier 3 - (1) 1000 OM, 5 BNP, 0 Dil
Tier 4 - (8) 1500 OM, 7 BNP, 1000 Dil
Tier 5 - (9) 2000 OM, 9 BNP, 2000 Dil
Tier 6 - (2) 2500 OM, 11 BNP, 3000 Dil
Tier 7 - (10) 3000 OM, 13 BNP, 4000 Dil
Tier 8 - (5) 3500 OM, 15 BNP, 8000 Dil
Tier 9 - (3) 4000 OM, 15 BNP, 16000 Dil
Tier 10 - (1) 4500 OM, 15 BNP, 24000 Dil
Tier 11 - (2) 5000 OM, 15 BNP, 32000 Dil
Tier 12 - (0) 6000 OM, 15 BNP, 40000 Dil
Tier 13 - (1) 7000 OM, 15 BNP, 48000 Dil
Tier 14 - (0) 8000 OM, 15 BNP, 56000 Dil
Tier 15 - (1) 9000 OM, 15, BNP, 64000 Dil

The numbers in parentheses are the number of reports for each tier and the bold ones are ones I suspect based on the progression but no one has turned in yet. It is possible at 5000 OM their progression changes to 1000 at a time but there are too few data points on the high end (I made that assumption). If that is the case and after 5k OM jump up by 1k interval and to match dilithium would increase in intervals of 8000 (basically 1 days refining). That seems the most logical progression. Now going on with this progression and assuming they treat all MK X, XI, and XII the same I can start looking at break points.

But we need more data and fast as it looks like S7 will be going live tomorrow!! So keep it coming!!

Righ now the DFA on the 49 results is not very powerful and is only classifying 67.3% of the data to the correct tier.

Last edited by commodoreshrvk; 11-07-2012 at 08:43 AM.
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# 76
11-07-2012, 08:34 AM
I suspect OM has incriments of 500 and ore 4k but as you go higher up there are fewer people to fill all the tiers.
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# 77
11-07-2012, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by vsilverwings1 View Post
I suspect OM has incriments of 500 and ore 4k but as you go higher up there are fewer people to fill all the tiers.
I tried a scheme like that, but we will see as more people report, and btw thanks for posting your data in google docs...it helped out a great deal. Once we figure out the tiers and have a good sample size (10-15 per tier) I can produce a prediction equation where people can just input what they have to see what their results are.

That scheme looks like this:

Tier 1 - (4) 250 OM, 1 BNP, 0 Dil
Tier 2 - (2) 500 OM, 3 BNP, 0 Dil
Tier 3 - (1) 1000 OM, 5 BNP, 0 Dil
Tier 4 - (8) 1500 OM, 7 BNP, 1000 Dil
Tier 5 - (9) 2000 OM, 9 BNP, 2000 Dil
Tier 6 - (2) 2500 OM, 11 BNP, 3000 Dil
Tier 7 - (10) 3000 OM, 13 BNP, 4000 Dil
Tier 8 - (5) 3500 OM, 15 BNP, 8000 Dil
Tier 9 - (3) 4000 OM, 15 BNP, 16000 Dil
Tier 10 - (1) 4500 OM, 15 BNP, 24000 Dil
Tier 11 - (0) 5000 OM, 15 BNP, 32000 Dil
Tier 12 - (0) 5500 OM, 15 BNP, 36000 Dil
Tier 13 - (0) 6000 OM, 15 BNP, 40000 Dil
Tier 14 - (0) 6500 OM, 15 BNP, 44000 Dil
Tier 15 - (1) 7000 OM, 15 BNP, 48000 Dil
Tier 16 - (0) 7500 OM, 15 BNP, 52000 Dil
Tier 17 - (0) 8000 OM, 15 BNP, 56000 Dil
Tier 18 - (0) 8500 OM, 15 BNP, 60000 Dil
Tier 19 - (1) 9000 OM, 15, BNP, 64000 Dil

Last edited by commodoreshrvk; 11-07-2012 at 08:52 AM.
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# 78
11-07-2012, 08:47 AM
The good news at this moment is that we know they want us to convert to dill before S7 hits and grind from the start in the new system.

Good to know... don't like it... but good to know.
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# 79
11-07-2012, 08:48 AM
I really dont get this.Does universe go bang if anyone would get 500,000 dilithium from 500 edc? you still need to refine it and max is 8000 per day.
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# 80
11-07-2012, 08:57 AM
We don't really need any dilithium from the conversion process ,as we already got that from the runs we did directly.

A streight conversion to the new currencies for lack of a better word would be nice.

I understand sort of them not giving us enough Marks and Neural processors amd dilithium to streight buy a Mk XII piece for a proto tech. While that piece of loot can buy a Mk XII piece it was a bonus item, not the standard reward.

I get 2 EDCs from an Elite run minimum, dont count any bonus stuff.

A veteran piece is worth 40 EDC, by extension a Elite piece should be worth something like 80 EDC (they just chose not to allow that), so a Elite gear piece is worth 40 runs on Elite.

40 runs on Elite gives us 2400 Omega Marks and 40 Neural Processors under the new system.

Is that what we get from the conversion for 80 EDCs?

The closest on the spreadsheet I can see to those numbers is a Tier 5 conversion, but severely lacking in neural Processors.

Last edited by timelord79; 11-07-2012 at 08:59 AM.
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