Lieutenant
Join Date: Nov 2012
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# 21
11-07-2012, 07:50 PM
I haven't played fleet actions before, but aren't they restricted to 1 fleet or is there a way to 'pug' it?
Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 348
# 22
11-07-2012, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by darramouss1 View Post
Personally I feel that lower level characters in these matches is more of a true representation of the Star Trek universe, both in canon and spirit. In canon, any ship that was near an emergency would respond. It was the Federation way. In spirit, it's all a part of including everyone, very much a theme of every series of Trek.
on this we agree but i disagree with the notion of even level gating these fleet actions sure they are in mirandas but they can contribute you may have to do a bit more work than usual but these missions allow everyone in the fleet to help each other out. I myself have flown a T1 connie in these and i did my part to help the team you just have to give them advise on how they can contribute to the cause.
Rihannsu
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 625
# 23
11-07-2012, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by bortjinx View Post
A couple of comments here...

Battle of Wolf 359. That had Mirandas and the like fighting the Borg alongside Defiants and Sovereigns. Why not in game too?
Actually the two largest Federation ships at Wolf 359 were the Ambassador class Yamaguchi and Nebula class Bellerophon. The Defiant and Sovereign classes were not yet built.
My Romulan Liberated Borg character made it to Level 30 and beat the (old) Defense of New Romulus with the skill point bug.
Rihannsu
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 248
# 24
11-07-2012, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by darramouss1 View Post
Personally I feel that lower level characters in these matches is more of a true representation of the Star Trek universe, both in canon and spirit. In canon, any ship that was near an emergency would respond. It was the Federation way. In spirit, it's all a part of including everyone, very much a theme of every series of Trek.

That being said, I can understand how some people may be frustrated. Here's a possible solution. Rather than limit something to 5 ships, limit it to, say, 50 ship points. A VA would be worth 10 points and a lieutenant would be worth 3. All other ranks would be scaled in between. The match would start when between 50 - 55 ship points were achieved. This way, rather than losing out on a VA to a lieutenant you'd lose a VA to two lieutenants, a comdr and a captain, for example.

I feel that this would satisfy the canon and spirit of Trek as well as provide a solution that makes sense.
I would be OK with this idea, though it would need to address Scarlet's concern. I suspect, however, that would be fairly easy to do on the back end.

Hmmm... the more I think about this the more I like it.
Rihannsu
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# 25
11-07-2012, 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by heineko View Post
I haven't played fleet actions before, but aren't they restricted to 1 fleet or is there a way to 'pug' it?
Heineko, you can pug the fleet missions through the PVE queue. You might need to be a member of a fleet - some of the scripting is based on a random players' fleet info after all - but I know as a fact that members of more than one fleet can be pugged together by the queuing system.

The missions can be pretty fun, though the rewards are not very competitive.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 26
11-08-2012, 12:03 AM
Have to admit, have changed my mind a little this morning andfind myself slightly more in agreement with the OP.

Just come away from the most EPIC failure of a Fleet Alert ever.

We warp in - myself using my T5 Excelsior, a Miranda, an Excalibur, a Patrol Escort and some fool who thought he'd be clever and brought his Tuffli along. I noted that we had a T4 starbase sat beneath us, and crossed my fingers that, considering the team, we wouldn't get too strong an enemy.

And then the Borg warped in.

Didn't get past the first wave. Seriously. Granted, the fool who brought the Tuffli along made things worse, as he was a Rear Admiral (upper-half) and probably had a half-
ship he could've used if he hadn't decided to try to be clever.

Still - after this disaster I am left feeling that whilst it wasn't quite so bad during the lower-tier starbase fleet alerts, their lack of DPS and experience is painfully obvious when you're facing something like the Borg. It makes the lower tier ships look like cannon fodder frankly, and that's not good.

STAR TREK BATTLES - HIGH DPS PLAYERS NEED NOT APPY

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Career Officer
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Posts: 155
# 27
11-08-2012, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by bortjinx View Post
A couple of comments here...

Battle of Wolf 359. That had Mirandas and the like fighting the Borg alongside Defiants and Sovereigns. Why not in game too?

These are fleet missions. Which means that everyone in a fleet should be able to join in. This will be the reason for allowing Lieutenants on the same map as VAs. Gating people by level will remove a lot of the purpose of these events - allowing fleets to work together the achieve a goal.
Your thinking of the battle of sector 001, but yes your point is valid.
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Ensign
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 8
# 28
11-08-2012, 01:29 AM
They could make it a 10 man mission with the difficulty of a 5 man mission.
There would be 5 slots reserved for people under the level of 30, if these slots are not filled then the mission can still go ahead but it would be 5 over 30's fighting a mission designed for 5 over 30's. If some under 30's join then they get allocated to the under 30 spots, the mission also doesn't start until the 5 over 30 slots are filled. That way you get the extra help of some lowbies but also have a decent team to fight with.
This would also grant lowbies tonnes of experience for later on in the game.

Squirrel
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 891
# 29
11-08-2012, 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by hasukurobi View Post
Today I was doing Fleet Starbase Defense and what was our enemy of choice? The Borg... That was bad enough but consider that what we have here are Borg ships Vs. folks in MIRANDAS! I was max level but there were a number who were not.

This happens all the time where you get low level folks in these missions and while it would be fine for them to team together at a lower level against lower level enemies it is very bad when they mix with higher level folks. No matter WHAT you do to boost a Miranda it will NEVER have the power of a lvl 50 in a Tier 5 ship. It will pop fast, deal next to no damage, and have no worthwhile support powers. So essentially you have allowed us to go into battle with ships that may as well not be there instead of actual helpers.

Now understand, this is not a rant against new players at all. It is not their fault they get teamed with higher level folks to battle these outrageous forces. There just NEEDS to be a level lock on these missions so that either everyone who does them NEEDS to be lvl 50 OR they will at least only get paired with folks in their same grade.


On a side Rant though... The enemy ships in these are stupid buffed. I mean I have flown a number of these Klingon ships and they are nowhere near that powerful. Isometric Charge is only that deadly after maxed Attack Pattern Alpha & Omega III with full Particle Generators when it has bounced to its limit as a for instance. The Bortasqu' is a very powerful and tough ship but it does not have shields that have 100's of thousands of hit points per facing that regenerate in the tens of thousands per click. I have never liked the "Cheating" enemy who is just OP for the sake of being OP. I do not mind the Borg being super vicious but can we maybe have the ships we can actually FLY behave the way ours do? Otherwise it begs the question why our ships are so much less powerful.
It's fine, the game should knock you on your ass every now and then. It's good for you.
Commander
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 394
# 30
11-08-2012, 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by tlamstrike View Post
Actually the two largest Federation ships at Wolf 359 were the Ambassador class Yamaguchi and Nebula class Bellerophon. The Defiant and Sovereign classes were not yet built.
Wasn't Wolf 359 the battle at the start of First Contact? Or was it the one in the TNG series? I forget tbh.

Edit: Nvm, someone cleared it up. I was thinking of the battle for Sector 001 in First Contact.

Edit 2: Having caught up with the posts in this thread, I'm left wondering why some of you are even in fleets at all. You don't seem to have any inclination to work with your fleet's lower ranked members. If you don't like encountering lower levels in the PvE queue that is expressly set up to allow for all ranks to work together, then simple, stay out of that PvE queue and put together your own group for those events.

But don't complain that a fleet event actually allows fleets to work together regardless of rank. This is working as intended, and I for one, like it.

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