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# 131
11-04-2012, 12:41 AM
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You use eject warp plasma or there is science skill that helps this.Coaks really don't do anything is game play at range 10.you would have to be at range 30 out to make it effective.
That is not the point.

The point is KDF is running around with Battlecloaks and saying "MINE!" when KDF was not the originator of the cloaking device, if we have a Romulan faction it means Romulan ships will have cloak.

I am pointing out KDF "exclusive" content is not even theirs, neither fighters or cloaking devices originated in the KDF so the whole claim about "taking away from the KDF originality" is absurd, Fighters were first shown in DS9 as used by the Federation and later in a movie by the Romulans but yet we have the KDF talking about how they losing carriers was "taking away from the KDF" and if as much I agree the Federation should not have cloaking devices, at least widespread usage it still does not change the KDF cannot go about how they are losing their originality when the moment we get a Romulan Faction they will by default gain access to Cloak.
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# 132
11-08-2012, 09:04 AM
Yoohooo! Treaty of Algeron is still valid! Stops starfleet from DEVELOPING cloaking technology, so the cloaking device from the defiant, and the one on the Gal X is all they have!

If you want battle cloak, roll a KDF character.

I have two characters that i use regularly. Drex, a tac in a Hegh'ta BOP/Mirror Qin, and Arctic, a trill tac in a Fleet Defiant R with the cloaking device.
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# 133
11-09-2012, 11:08 AM
Y'know folks, this whole 'Battle Cloak' thing for the Feds is gonna happen even less because of the fact of Romulan Rep.

I REALLY doubt the Federation would want to tick off their new Romulan and Reman allies. If anything, the Federation would just say that they're simply shifting the Treaty of Algeron to be with these new Romulans instead of the old empire.

Heck, if anything, the Klingons should get some better cloaking, or cloaking-esque technology from all this. They'd jump on the chance I think to help the Romulans if it meant learning more on cloaking technology.

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# 134
11-09-2012, 11:33 AM
as long as i can remember we are still playing Star Trek Online, and not shoot me online.

so the canon says FED's have no cloaks, except for defiant - with romulan help.

for all FED whiners - Your ships are better, you also have bigger pool to choose from, and if you don't like it, just start a KDF character.

The reason why you fail in PVP is NOT the cloak, but the fact that you cannot play the game.
Not all of you, of course, i have seen premade FED groups which took our (KDF) pug team apart in 20 seconds.. (not very often)

so i suggest you just do a little theorycrafting, some training, put a team together... and it is impossible for you NOT to win.
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# 135
11-09-2012, 12:02 PM
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as long as i can remember we are still playing Star Trek Online, and not shoot me online.

so the canon says FED's have no cloaks, except for defiant - with romulan help.

for all FED whiners - Your ships are better, you also have bigger pool to choose from, and if you don't like it, just start a KDF character.

The reason why you fail in PVP is NOT the cloak, but the fact that you cannot play the game.
Not all of you, of course, i have seen premade FED groups which took our (KDF) pug team apart in 20 seconds.. (not very often)

so i suggest you just do a little theorycrafting, some training, put a team together... and it is impossible for you NOT to win.
problem being, most Feds don't bother learning how the ships they have actually WORK, don't know about adjusting power levels, spec'cing and setting up their Duty officers, OR working together.

It's a sad fact of life, that I dread going into PUG situations on STF's with Feds-because 8 out of 10, my dinky little BoP is going to be pulling Aggro flying NExT TO a Federation Advanced Escort, from the same targeted borg, and I wont' go into the experience with most Fed Cruisers.

1 less tactical console, kids, 1 less forward weapon, ZERO spec in Threat Control, and I'm pulling all the attention from the Borg WITHOUT c-store consoles or Mk XII weapons and gear.

I've got a Fed, in an Advanced Escort, as one of my alts-HE draws Aggro too-but He is supposed to, it's called "Set your power levels if you want to do damage".

MOST Fed players that complain because KDF has ships with Uni and BC, and call it "overpowered" do so because they want to 'buy a win' or 'sue a win' (i.e. 'Whine a Win'), fact is if you set your ship up half-way intelligently, it will flat outperform same-tier KDF ships in DPS and Survivability. If you do NOT do this, then even your shiny new TacOdyssey, Fleet DEfiant, or Vesta is going to be pretty much technicolor squish in PvP, and a virtual non-contributor in STF.

and giving a Battle-cloak to a Defiant won't make the driver better, it will just be handing out pacifiers to a whiner-pacifiers that won't last past the first week on Tribble.

If you WANT a Battle Cloak, MAKE A KDF CHARACTER. That way, you'll have it because you NEED it, not because you're envious of someone else.

Though, to be fair, if enough Feds had to deal with the "Ensign Flatulent just decloaked us sir" where your on-bridge chatter decloaks you with no emissions, maybe it would get fixed...instead of being passed off as 'working as intended'.

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# 136
11-09-2012, 09:22 PM
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Though, to be fair, if enough Feds had to deal with the "Ensign Flatulent just decloaked us sir" where your on-bridge chatter decloaks you with no emissions, maybe it would get fixed...instead of being passed off as 'working as intended'.
You have a good point there.

Maybe let Feds have their cloak long enough to complain so that gets fixed, then take it away?

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# 137
11-10-2012, 03:06 AM
Every once in a while, when you lift the toilet seat up, it's just there, a "Klingons are op"-thread. Usually it is the result of someone having bit into a sour apple.
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# 138
11-10-2012, 02:35 PM
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That is not the point.

The point is KDF is running around with Battlecloaks and saying "MINE!" when KDF was not the originator of the cloaking device, if we have a Romulan faction it means Romulan ships will have cloak.

I am pointing out KDF "exclusive" content is not even theirs, neither fighters or cloaking devices originated in the KDF so the whole claim about "taking away from the KDF originality" is absurd, Fighters were first shown in DS9 as used by the Federation and later in a movie by the Romulans but yet we have the KDF talking about how they losing carriers was "taking away from the KDF" and if as much I agree the Federation should not have cloaking devices, at least widespread usage it still does not change the KDF cannot go about how they are losing their originality when the moment we get a Romulan Faction they will by default gain access to Cloak.
It really doesn't matter as you will never use the cloak oh I do on my BoP retro but going by the movies it was just prototype.It was never seen afters not even in Gen. Mortak's BoP or he could of beaten the Jem adar easy.those fighter are just small shuttles.

You will never use the cloak as I never do it is just a was of time.It was never in Starfleet Command 1 and 2 only the Roms had it incase drones(missles) were fired at them and they have less tractors or phasers to take them out so they cloak.The klingon have what is called an add anti drone defence abroad thier ships so do feds.
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# 139
11-13-2012, 10:06 AM
Lol silly Fedbears... the battlecloak wont save you.

Its not an IWIN button.



Yeah, that's right.
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# 140
11-13-2012, 10:59 AM
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Also I am reminded of how the Defiant handled its cloaking device in the actual show... and there were plenty of times when it would have been handy for her to cloak and get out of dodge, but it seemed particularly sensitive to battle damage. In 'Way of the Warrior' its cloak was knocked out of comission when Sisko beamed Dukat and the Detapa council off their stricken vessel. In 'Sacrifice of Angels' attrition and piled-up battle damage had 'fried' it when they could really have used it to escape a desperate melee. Other times when they've used the cloak tactically was for the 'alpha-strike-immediately-upon-decloak' thing which they did in 'The Die Is Cast' and 'Way of the Warrior'.

So really I don't have a problem with the Defiant not having battlecloak. It fits the canon better IMO.


I feel the need to mention this if it already has been apologies. That being said on to the episode you quote 'way of the warrior'. The reason why the ships cloak was knocked out was cause sisco lowered the defiants shields, to beam dukat and the rest of the cardies on board allowing the klingons to shoot up the ship. The cloak on board was on loan from the romulans whose cloaking technology was more advanced then klingon cloaking tech. other episodes mentioned the ship had taken so many hits i'm supprised it helds together.

And lastly i don't remember the defiant having to wait to go off red alert to cloak.


I dont have much of a opinion on this topic on weather this should be added

but i needed to address that subject
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