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# 31
11-07-2012, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by sophlogimo View Post
Oh, I agree! It is a good time for it, if you look at them. Let us crush them... but with what ships?

The Federation, The Fehk'Ihri, the Borg, the Tholians, not to mention the True Way, the Gorn rebels, the Orion and Nausicaan pirates that attack our starbases, and the legimate conflicts of rival houses within the Empire that need to be solved the traditional way... we just don't have enough resources to subjugate the Romulans right now.
Then we continue what we started and capture the last of the old systems that where once ours.
Add thier resources to the Empire and stay vigilant.

I have no issue personaly with Obisek and the Remans but I do not trust the Romulans.
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# 32
11-09-2012, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by trek21 View Post
Don't they say keep your enemies closer? This is as close as can be And by doing so, carefully keeping the Romulans away from important info, you learn more about their defenses, and see if their peace drivel is actually true or not.

If they are, we can subdue them without a single blow or effort, and focus resources elsewhere. If not, well, you all know what's next.

My two cents
Or to divide and conquer :

Ally with some remaining factions to build them up and use them to hold back the Federation while crushing everyone else in Romulan space not acknowledging the superiority of the empire.

Klingons do not only fight, they can do politics. And they have had minor realms paying tribute instead of being outright conquered for centuries. Having more or less independent vassal states is nothing new and does fit quite well into the quite feudal Klingon society.


Also, Romulans have nearly been as often been allies as they were enemies. Pretty much the same as Federation.
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# 33
11-09-2012, 08:14 AM
I really enjoyed the letter :-)
It shows a more sophisticated approach to a problem instead of the standart space orc rage/smash/phewphew approach ;-)

Hopefully we get more of this ingame . More story.
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# 34
11-09-2012, 09:57 AM
I admit, I find it very difficult to believe that Klingons would be helping Romulans, unless it was along the lines of a House of Duras thing.

It was hard enough to believe that they would help the Deferi.

I played through some of the New Romulus content on Tribble as a Fed, and I have to say that if KDF gets exactly the same missions, well, I just don't see Klingons being very interested in most of that.

Collecting harmless forest creatures for pets? No. Helping little squiddlies get back to momma? No. Collecting rocks and water samples? No. Rescuing Romulan colonists? Probably not.

That said, I like that the objectives in each area are very flexible. I can totally see Klingons hunting down Tal Shiar spies, taking on Hirogen hunters, fighting dangerous beasts for sport, etc. I can even see them being willing to do that stuff regardless of the fact that it's helping to establish a Romulan colony.

Klingon politics is an interesting subject, though. I just watched "DS9: Rules of Engagement" and was quite intrigued at how the tactics used by the Klingon Advocate fit with a Klingon worldview. I won't spoil anything, but the fact that the Klingons were willing to use deception and psychological warfare against Worf in order to obtain a politically strategic advantage over the Federation says a lot about Klingon politics being nothing but a different kind of battlefield.

My take-away from that is this: The Klingon Empire is willing to do whatever is necessary to gain an advantage over their enemies, and that there is practically no tactic that is considered dishonorable when dealing with dishonored enemies. Even perhaps praise-worthy, if it succeeds.

So how does that apply here? What's the High Council's game in regard to New Romulus?

Certainly, they would not want the Federation to control the situation. Nor would it escape them that the Remans are in control of the Vault and anything that gets them in the Remans' good graces is a good thing. The Empire doesn't want that falling into the hands of the Federation or the Tal Shiar or any of their enemies for obvious reasons.

Cryptic just needs to make sure that they spell that stuff out in-game somewhere, even if it's a reveal that comes later on.
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# 35
11-09-2012, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by sophlogimo View Post
Oh, I agree! It is a good time for it, if you look at them. Let us crush them... but with what ships?

The Federation, The Fehk'Ihri, the Borg, the Tholians, not to mention the True Way, the Gorn rebels, the Orion and Nausicaan pirates that attack our starbases, and the legimate conflicts of rival houses within the Empire that need to be solved the traditional way... we just don't have enough resources to subjugate the Romulans right now.

I honestly believe the best thing for the game would be for the Romulans to "join" the KDF via mutual goals. I think the Iconians set the stage for that, as the Klingons are likely to take an aggressive posture while the Feds stick their heads in the sand. The Romulans are far more akin to the Klingons methodology of destroying enemies and handling problems. It also fits in with this diplomatic New Romulus stuff. An uneasy alliance makes sense given the circumstances.

It wouldn't need to be a permanent thing(so CBS doesn't get their panties in a twist), just a mutual sharing of resources and technology(ie ships and equipment). You could even give the Romulans their own UI, ship voices, command/base infrastructure, etc. Just count them as part of the KDF alliance,

It would go a long way to evening out balance between the existing factions (population, content, and ships). I personally can't believe Cryptic would be stupid enough to repeat their mistake by creating -another- underpopulated, under developed, low revenue faction. It makes far more sense to prop up the KDF faction with Romulan content.

The smart move is to create a strong second faction, both for game health and financial reasons.

Last edited by xantris; 11-09-2012 at 10:05 AM.
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# 36
11-09-2012, 10:21 AM
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... well, I just don't see Klingons being very interested in most of that.
Yes ... problem is, what about the Orions, Gorns and lets not forget the Joined Trills?

One of the problems with the KDF is its not just Klingons and it suffers from being exactly that, its so Klingon-centric every non-klingon is acting out of character when it comes to specific KDF content, not to say that is kinda of narrow view of Klingons that can only be Space Vikings or Space Mongols.
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# 37
11-09-2012, 10:49 AM
I kinda mentioned this on the current incarnation of the 'Defiant Battle Cloak' thread, but I will elaborate more on it here.

The Klingons would be willing to help out the Romulans, not out of the goodness of their warrior's hearts, but because of what it could get them in the future.

Take the Tal Shiar as an example. They are still numerous and powerful, even with the death of Hakeev. Starfleet has the resources and ships, but are stretched thin due to the multi-frontal war of the game. The Klingons are as well, but not as severely compared to Starfleet, since they aren't going around sending relief supplies and such, or exploring, etc.

So they would have many more ships biting at the bit to have an excuse to go and conquer. Sure they might not just outright attack the new independent Romulans, due to also having Starfleet's backing, but they will help them to see what they might learn and receive as 'allies'.

At the very least, attacking the Tal Shiar, gaining their tech and resources from it all would be exactly what they Klingons would want, especially in the realm of cloaking technology. The big example I mean from this is the Scimitar and the respective class from what, with it's 'perfect cloak'. Not to mention what the Romulans would be willing to trade in turn for their help.

While this is all cross-faction content, to me, it means more than I originally thought about what the Klingons might get out of this. Heck, it would really lead to some interesting possible missions and even new C-store ships and such in the future.

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# 38
11-09-2012, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by f2pdrakron View Post
Yes ... problem is, what about the Orions, Gorns and lets not forget the Joined Trills?

One of the problems with the KDF is its not just Klingons and it suffers from being exactly that, its so Klingon-centric every non-klingon is acting out of character when it comes to specific KDF content, not to say that is kinda of narrow view of Klingons that can only be Space Vikings or Space Mongols.
Frankly, I don't see Orions, Gorn, Nausicaans, or Letheans being much interested in collecting forest animals, escorting squiddlies back to momma, or collecting rock samples either.

But you do have a point about non-Klingon motivations not being reflected in the game. Orions would probably be looking for "opportunities" and the Gorn would probably be out to prove that whatever the mammals do, they can do better.
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# 39
11-09-2012, 02:59 PM
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Frankly, I don't see Orions, Gorn, Nausicaans, or Letheans being much interested in collecting forest animals, escorting squiddlies back to momma, or collecting rock samples either.

But you do have a point about non-Klingon motivations not being reflected in the game. Orions would probably be looking for "opportunities" and the Gorn would probably be out to prove that whatever the mammals do, they can do better.
I don't know about that...

Orions might want the forest animals if they're "cute" enough so that they can be used in their spying (instead of relying on "cute girl" to break the ice, use cute critter, especially if they're better around the Klingons than Tribbles...)

Gorn might want big rocks that retain heat better than their current rocks...

And who knows, maybe the Letheans have some reason to hook baby squids up with their mommy squid...
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# 40
11-09-2012, 11:28 PM
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[...]
Gorn might want big rocks that retain heat better than their current rocks...
[...]
I would like to point out that the only ship type that is available for the Gorn is a science ship, and that their ship technology is ahead of the Klingon stuff. Apparently, they are a smart and curious lot.
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