Lt. Commander
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# 11
11-12-2012, 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by hereticknight085 View Post
Tbh I don't understand the obsession with an antiquated and quite honestly an ugly ship-class that only appeared in 2 episodes, both of which it was destroyed in (or in the case of the alternate reality, it was implied that it was destroyed).

Of course I am also not a fan of the Excelsior, but since that one has made an appearance, I suppose this one could be brought in. But I don't see why it would.
Maybe because it was an Enterprise?
Rihannsu
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# 12
11-12-2012, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by carl103 View Post
Actually i'm pretty sure there where a fair few in the background of a number of DS9 big battle episodes. It just never got an episode focused on one in DS9.
No, their wasnt as it only shown in ONE DS9 Episode, "Emissary".

This is also easy to check right?
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Ambassador_class

Even Memory Beta it certainly did not so so ...
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Ambassador_class

Fact is for a number of reason the Ambassador class was rarely used and never had a CGI model until 2006's Ships of the Line calendar.
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# 13
11-12-2012, 11:16 PM
Destroyer or not, Enterprise or not, the big problem I see with the OP here is:

14 turn rate (considering Cryptic's love of big ship = mega-slow, it won't happen)
DC/DHC usable (only one Fed cruiser can do that atm, and I doubt they'd give another one)
Cmdr tactical (Basically wanting a cruiser-ish level of hull, with an almost escort like turn rate and DHCs on top of all of it)

Those three things alone really don't make a good idea. It's asking for a lot, and giving up almost nothing in return for it.

As a cruiser, no matter WHAT else it would have, it'd have Cmdr Engineering, always.

Personally, I hope for something maybe like...

Cmdr. Engineering
Lt. Cmdr science
Lt. Anything
Lt. Anything
Ensign Anything

I don't really care about the other Lt or ensign slots, to me, the most important part would be the Cmdr engineer and Lt. Cmdr sci (since Fed cruisers have no ship with a lt. cmdr sci, not counting the space whale).

4/4 weapons, 37.5k hull, 1.05 shield modifier (a fleet version would get 41,250 hull with a 1.15 shield modifier), 6-8 turn rate (somewhere in there).

3/3/3 consoles, or 4 engineering 3 sci, 2 tactical

Captain
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# 14
11-12-2012, 11:45 PM
@Drakon: i was pretty sure i'd seen it, will have to dig out my stuff.

|@mimey2:

The Ambassador is a decent bit smaller and lighter than even a sov, chances are it wil have a better than 9 turn rate. 14 IS too high, but 10-12 wouldn't be out of line IMHO.

TBH BoFF wise i'd like to see somthing like:

Cmdr Uni, Lt Uni, Lt Tac, Lt En, Lt Sci. It's a bit unique and opens some real veriaty in build options.
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# 15
11-13-2012, 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by carl103 View Post

@mimey2:

The Ambassador is a decent bit smaller and lighter than even a sov, chances are it wil have a better than 9 turn rate. 14 IS too high, but 10-12 wouldn't be out of line IMHO.

TBH BoFF wise i'd like to see somthing like:

Cmdr Uni, Lt Uni, Lt Tac, Lt En, Lt Sci. It's a bit unique and opens some real veriaty in build options.
If the Ambassador were to get even 10, then the Excelsior would need a significant boost. I am not saying that because I like the Excel alot, but that the Excel is a LOT smaller than the Galaxy, Ambassador, and Sovy. Going on that, all the cruisers in the game would need a turn-speed pass.

I don't really agree totally with that BOFf layout though either.

Universal slots are VERY powerful, more so than anything else. That's why BoPs can be so impressive, with their entire universal set ups, or other things like the bug. The only other ship in the game with a Cmdr. Universal is the Recluse, and that's a bit more limited because it's still a sci-heavy carrier, lockbox ship or not.

So having the Cmdr be universal is going again more on what I mentioned in my previous post, in that there would be a cruiser ship with cruiser-like hull and almost escort level turn rate.

Think about this as well: A cruiser, with Attack Pattern Omega 3 and purple Conn Officers allowing for constant, or almost constant up time of Omega 3. Hard to hit, hard to hurt even when hit, while hitting very hard in return (not AS hard as a fully buff alpha strike from an Defiant or something, but still hard), and so on.

Even so, having 4 Lts I could see happening, though, even if possibly overpowered. Science would be the best choice in the Lt uni though, if trying to be a healer and/or tank, with tac being the next one. Not engineer though, too many shared cooldowns.

Career Officer
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# 16
11-13-2012, 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by carl103 View Post
|@mimey2:

The Ambassador is a decent bit smaller and lighter than even a sov, chances are it wil have a better than 9 turn rate. 14 IS too high, but 10-12 wouldn't be out of line IMHO.
While she's shorter, she's not actually smaller.

The Ambassador is both wider and higher (has more decks) than the Sovereign.
So she's bigger it two dimensions while the Sovy is only bigger in one.
And both the TNG Technical Manual and the "Ships of the Line" Calender give the Ambassador at 3.7 million tons while the Sovereign is usually given at 3.2, in the "Starship Spotter for example.

I love the Ambassador and I'd love to see her in this game, but with the proper stats.
I think a turnrate around 6.5 would still be okay and I have a character on standby that I created specifically for this ship and I'll wait no matter how long it takes.

The arbitrary reason many people give why this ship class is unimportant and/or shouldn't be in this game baffles me, especially since

-even the Encyclopedia states that the U.S.S. Exeter that was on the casualty list in "In the Pale Moonlight" was an Ambassador class, showing they were still alive in that era

-we get the flippin' Vesta, a ship that appeared only the the novels just like the Luna
and it's not like an Ambassador class ships doesn't have its own novel series

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/NF
Captain
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# 17
11-13-2012, 01:07 AM
Generally, it would be sad if Ambassador would end up as a better ship than Galaxy. If anything Ambassador should be added as a low tier ship variant, and maybe RA retrofit. But there is kinda no room for it at fleet level.
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# 18
11-13-2012, 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by dalnar83 View Post
Generally, it would be sad if Ambassador would end up as a better ship than Galaxy. If anything Ambassador should be added as a low tier ship variant, and maybe RA retrofit. But there is kinda no room for it at fleet level.
I don't know - there are no Cruisers at Starbase (shipyard) Tier 3....

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Captain
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# 19
11-13-2012, 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by dalnar83 View Post
Generally, it would be sad if Ambassador would end up as a better ship than Galaxy. If anything Ambassador should be added as a low tier ship variant, and maybe RA retrofit. But there is kinda no room for it at fleet level.
There is nothing that says it can't or shouldn't get the fleet version treatment.
The Somraw, K'tinga, D'Kyr, D7, Kumari, Xindi carrier, Xindi escort, and the T'Varo are all older than the Constitution Refit and yet they are tier 5. The rule needs to change.
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# 20
11-13-2012, 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by cidstorm View Post
There is nothing that says it can't or shouldn't get the fleet version treatment.
Theoretically not. But practically yes. Because any cruiser fleet layout would be better than Galaxy
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