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# 11
11-13-2012, 03:01 PM
I logged on one of my Klingon officers to look at stuff (was checking fleet Duty Officer vendor to make sure Cryptic didn't jack up the prices, which was a rumor I read in ESD chat) and decided I'd set up some marauding missions since my feds needed contraband.

Well, the way the rewards are listed in the results window were quite different now. One mission listed a 16 x Special Item(s) and another listed 31 x Special Item(s).

Before today, the marauding missions that rewarded contraband would almost always have multiple items in the reward window and the last one on the right "usually" denoted the amount of contraband you might expect if the mission completed with no critical, usually a 1 x or 2 x Special Item.

I went ahead and set up the missions (on all my Klingon officers) to test my nauseating theory that the brains at Cryptic have removed contraband from the Marauding missions. If they HAVE, this will be strike three for me and Star Trek Online (Strike One = dilithium gouging run wild in S7 ; Strike Two = nerfing Officer Reports mission).

My tenuous perch on the fence about Season 7 is getting very precarious. And Cryptic seems to be standing there with a pointed stick trying to knock me off. And it really saddens me, I'm a gold subscriber since day 1 of launch with no interruptions (I hit 1000 day mark the hard way, I wasn't grandfathered in like the $200 LTS people, heck -- I had to wait 14 or so days AFTER those people to get my Chimera as the days ticked off) and I really wanted to make it to my third anniversary but Season 7 has made me consider quitting the game for the first time in over 33 months. Again, sad.
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Captain
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# 12
11-13-2012, 04:15 PM
It's kind of scary someone who has stayed monthly sub from the beginning like you have is ready to pull the plug - I know everyone will say people always do it every new season - I just get the feeling this time it's different some how.

Ranting is fine - they don't mind that - but when it turns to disillusion and apathy - then there is a REAL problem brewing.
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# 13
11-13-2012, 04:38 PM
ok I'm starting to see a very obvious pattern here.

People are getting miffed because they cant Farm Dilithium on a daily basis?

thats it?

so your not gonna make as much Dilithium like you did before, why is that such a big deal?

so your not gonna be able to farm a ton of dilithium and take advantage of the zen conversion bit.

does it impeed your gameplay any the less?

they added New Romulus, new reputation system (which is good...takes too long imo a day is too long for t1) and even gives us a whole bunch of new content, new STF's, and what everyone has been begging for 2 years to get "Into The Hive".

isnt all that worth a 30% reduction of Dilithium? Im sure there will be a new fangled scheme to farm dilithium again someday, but for now just enjoy what these people are giving you for FREE...aside from the vesta...thats not free.
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# 14
11-13-2012, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by born2bwild1 View Post
It's kind of scary someone who has stayed monthly sub from the beginning like you have is ready to pull the plug - I know everyone will say people always do it every new season - I just get the feeling this time it's different some how.

Ranting is fine - they don't mind that - but when it turns to disillusion and apathy - then there is a REAL problem brewing.
I know!!!!

I have never been one to complain and have always been a real advocate for Star Trek Online, usually deflecting the complainers at ESD who were whining about the most recent real or imagine slight to their F2P lifestyle.

Along with the uninterrupted subscription fees (do the math 30+ months @ $15 versus the $200 grandfather deal the most recent LTS got) I've bought Cryptic points (and their unholy cousin the Zen point) on numerous occasions and had no problem supporting Cryptic after the move to F2P.

Heck, I didn't even complain about the Lock Box Flavor of the Month, I saw it as STO's lottery tickets and someone will always buy those hoping to get rich quick. I even bought a few keys from C-Store and figured that if it kept the game I enjoyed going for another year, it was a necessary evil.



But this has really bugged me. One problem is the almost total absence of any developer acknowledgement of the growing discontent of long time players in the run-up of Season 7.

There were a couple of large threads with 95% dissatisfaction over the Duty Officer dilithium increase (the other 5% were the usual naysayers and meme's "can I have your stuff" types) with not a single response from anyone with a Cryptic tag.


When I found out that they were nerfing the Officer Reports daily during the latter stages of testing Season 7 (I heard about it a couple of days ago in ESD and found it in the November 8th Tribble Patch notes), I was really saddened by what seems like another attempt to limit the amount of dilithium (and 50 fleet marks) one can readily get without having to spend HOURS upon HOURS a day grinding.


Like I said in my first post, I'm on the fence and teetering dangerously...
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# 15
11-13-2012, 04:52 PM
Hell, I'm about as Shruggy McShruggerson as it gets and even I don't like the DOFF dilithium changes. That said, I would be perfectly fine with those changes if alternate methods are added to achieve the same goals.

For instance, if the grinder now requires 500 Dilithium to chew up five common DOFFs and spit out one uncommon DOFF, why not add a new assignment someplace else that does the same job at the old cost of 10 Dilithium, but with a 2 or 3 day timer. That would suit my purposes just fine, plus it fits the usual time vs. money compromise that's already in place.

If that's too much time for some people to wait for DOFF assignments, well... go take a look at your skill queue in EVE Online. When I left that game, I'm pretty sure my character was waiting on skills in the two or three week range.
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# 16
11-13-2012, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by delsaberedux View Post
Hell, I'm about as Shruggy McShruggerson as it gets and even I don't like the DOFF dilithium changes. That said, I would be perfectly fine with those changes if alternate methods are added to achieve the same goals.

For instance, if the grinder now requires 500 Dilithium to chew up five common DOFFs and spit out one uncommon DOFF, why not add a new assignment someplace else that does the same job at the old cost of 10 Dilithium, but with a 2 or 3 day timer. That would suit my purposes just fine, plus it fits the usual time vs. money compromise that's already in place.

If that's too much time for some people to wait for DOFF assignments, well... go take a look at your skill queue in EVE Online. When I left that game, I'm pretty sure my character was waiting on skills in the two or three week range.
The big cost increase on the DOFF upgrade is really the only cost issue I have as well. I like the idea of offering a cheaper version that takes longer
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# 17
11-13-2012, 05:28 PM
Bluntly, I am disappointed.

I have been playing, and supporting, this game for about a year now. I do not like the direction the game is heading(despite how much I adore the base concepts and IP). I have been adjusting my 'support' to match that dissent.


As for season 7:

A constriction scheme like this only works if someone is forced to use your product. People are not, and they will leave as a result of these changes. From my perspective as a 'customer', I feel that this patch has wronged me - severely reducing and crippling the enjoyment of the relaxed playstyle that I previously enjoyed.

With as pathetic as business ethics have become in this industry, I am not expecting compensation. I think at this point, I am just going to back off for a bit and offer Cryptic/PWE the chance to re-earn a bit of consumer confidence. In my personal opinion, however, they owe the community for putting greed too far ahead of product satisfaction this time.


Constructively speaking:

Each system of the game should be able to support itself.

Doff Missions should be able to (mostly) cover their expenses. Doing STFs should enable the player to purchase the things they 'unlock'. Likewise for PvP, missions/storylines, and even 'exploration'.

The current (building) problem with the game is that different playstyles are not being supported. Rather, players are being forced into a playstyle that they do not want or enjoy. More needs to be done to support other playstyles. The more people who enjoy playing the game, the more likely they are to throw their money in support of it.

I've seen far too many MMOs fall into a trap of catering towards 'raids'/large group content. Don't get me wrong, I love the addition of fleets, but I really worry Cryptic is getting caught up in the temptation of making a 'hardcore' playstyle completely overshadow everything else - turning all other game systems into feeder/chore systems for 'the end game'.
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# 18
11-13-2012, 07:42 PM
It would be nice to get more dilth as well as Omega marks.
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# 19
11-13-2012, 07:50 PM
I just want to know why I have to wait 20 hours each time, to chase the Romulan Rabbits...

Why does that have to have a looong cool down??

Would letting us re-do it at our own pace really 'break' the system?

Last edited by herbie1966; 11-13-2012 at 07:52 PM.
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# 20
11-13-2012, 08:43 PM
So are more people feeling the wheels rolling over them yet?

Since Mr Stahl clearly in my opinion lied bold faced about the STF's in the last few weeks - I want to know how confident our KDF brothers and sisters feel about Season 8 bring the KDF up to par? Remember it was his main "goal" or promise. Guarenteed this time!!
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