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# 11
11-13-2012, 08:45 PM
I don't understand. With the old system I tried for a mk XII MACO set for 8 months and only got 2 pieces. With the new system I will be guaranteed to get it all with some extras. How on earth can you call the new system a grind without looking back at the old system with complete disdain?
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# 12
11-13-2012, 08:57 PM
I just want to add that I was having fun.

Despite my growing misgivings about the horribly unethical lottery ticket scam you've adopted as your business model, I was actually enjoying grinding up my toons in all the different possible ways. I knew the system was set up to enable that and profit from it, as I purchase the same bridge officers and c-store items again and again, but I was having fun and it seemed like a fair trade to me. I could happily keep buying character slots and trying something new.

Even the c-store ships seemed worthwhile because I would certainly re-use them across my whole account. I was even buying bridges and outfits and other items, because why not? I had to admit they were a better deal than lotto boxes. I learned first-hand what it can take to obtain the full Temporal set. I'd like to go back in time and talk myself out of it.

I don't PVP because pay2win makes it a joke in Star Trek Online, but fat least there was PVE, and despite being a huge grind, the level 50 content was borderline approachable for hardcore and casual gamers alike, and a fairly straightforward process that relied more on planning and teamwork than the color of one's dilithium and fleet support. I don't fleet because it's an ill-concealed scam to make players buy fleet ship modules because you chose to tie that cost to those essential game features.

You have been making tons of money from c-store sales and especially lockbox keys, but you decided you wanted more. You saw an opportunity to sell us austerity like some kind of perverse prize. Aren't we lucky. Let's call it a feature! This is how stupid they think we are.

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Ensign
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# 13
11-13-2012, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by darramouss1 View Post
I don't understand. With the old system I tried for a mk XII MACO set for 8 months and only got 2 pieces. With the new system I will be guaranteed to get it all with some extras. How on earth can you call the new system a grind without looking back at the old system with complete disdain?
At least the old system wasn't window dressing for a substantial dilithium paywall. Even for mk X equipment. You're talking about Mk XII stuff there, which was arguably an excessive grind.

Last edited by omfg4202; 11-13-2012 at 09:05 PM.
Ensign
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# 14
11-13-2012, 09:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by darramouss1 View Post
I don't understand. With the old system I tried for a mk XII MACO set for 8 months and only got 2 pieces. With the new system I will be guaranteed to get it all with some extras. How on earth can you call the new system a grind without looking back at the old system with complete disdain?
I understand, but with all the grinding done before if they can keep track of dil earnings from what mission, then they can retroactive the marks instead of starting anew. So you have to continue grinding the SAME content, just a different system for the rewards.

The new system just really puts the screws to the ones who have been here for a long time. While rewarding newcomers, because I admit I wish today was the 1st day I was playing STO because I think I would really like the system.
Captain
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# 15
11-13-2012, 10:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by darramouss1 View Post
I don't understand. With the old system I tried for a mk XII MACO set for 8 months and only got 2 pieces. With the new system I will be guaranteed to get it all with some extras. How on earth can you call the new system a grind without looking back at the old system with complete disdain?
The new system requires dilithium in order to "craft" your items.


Often OBSCENE amounts of dilithium.



THye've taken out the primary sources of dilithium and moved some rewards to content that NO ONE played.


Once people start to migrate to those sources, they'll change it again.


All to make players BUY dilithium via the Zen conversion. I'm still certain that Cryptic/PWE are dumping Dilithium into the exchange to keep the levels up. WIth fleets CRANKING out project and the new systems going into effect active end game players are all using their dilithium. Sure there are those that aren't in fleets but the sheer volume of dilthium on the exchange can't be just from those players.
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Join Date: Oct 2012
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# 16
11-13-2012, 10:48 PM
I managed to get a glimpse of the new stuff last night (thank you for the 4 hour-long wait to download the 600mb Cryptic). I'm not conclusive, but the things I saw made me think - "This was the seppuku of STO". Seems like PWE gave them the tanto, and they don't realize it even at the moment. I'll give it a try in the weekend, but I doubt that I'll continue playing for a long time after that.

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# 17 Season 7 the worst of all
11-14-2012, 12:28 AM
I am not impres at all by this season. R.I.P. for PVE i agree. thinking to leave for good.
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# 18
11-14-2012, 12:33 AM
I love the new rep system, I have no idea why the OP is complaing. I mean I can get my rep up to tier 5 and buy the good stuff like the MK XII impulse engines for 84,000 dilithium or mk xii armor for 16,800 dilithium all thanks to the rep system. No more random drops. Yay.
Man is a gaming animal. He must always be trying to get the better in something or other.
Warning, this poster tends to talk nonsensically when caffine levels fall below 80%.
Captain
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# 19
11-14-2012, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by darramouss1 View Post
I don't understand. With the old system I tried for a mk XII MACO set for 8 months and only got 2 pieces.
Really? When I first read about the Upcoming Season 7 Changes a few weeks ago, I unmothballed some old toons to gear them up while I still could, and in that short a time put together 5 Mk12 and 3 Mk11 sets. Plus a whole lot of dil, EC, and Mk12 weaponry besides. All that stuff didn't cost anything but playtime. I'll take those old numbers over Mark Grind and project timers any time.
Commander
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# 20
11-14-2012, 12:41 AM
Speak up is what we need to do. People always talk in zone chat, but so far they havent really taken anything seriously, this S7 has changed the game for the worst and has crossed a line that should never have been crossed for the games sake.

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