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# 21
11-14-2012, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by antoniosalieri View Post
Also 20 years isn't that long a time early 90s wasn't that long ago... after my retail I took a regional position with them for over 10 years as well... ya Things don't change... and they never will cause people are people. Doesn't matter if we are selling cell phones that weight 5 pounds... or MMO subs 20 years in the future... people won't change.
The way people acted in the early 70s differs from how they acted in the late 70s. Late 70s and mid 80s? Again, change. Late 80s and early 90s? More change. Late 90s? Yep, way different that going back to the mid 80s. After the millennium? Yep. 2005? Oh yeah. 2010+? Bazinga! Um... there's been an almost constant change and a quickening of that change in the past 40 years.

Take a 25-29 year old from 1975, 1985, 1995, 2005, and 2012... and even if you dressed them the same - it wouldn't take long to guess which year they were from.

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Originally Posted by antoniosalieri View Post
The people posting here ARE STO Customers. Last I checked I wasn't seeing NEW names on the forums from some other game... I am seeing friends from STO that I have played with for 3+ years posting.
So you're biased.
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# 22
11-14-2012, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by pwebranflakes View Post
Except, this is not being done. I had to remove a thread asking about a new map and new skill introduced in MWO. I know what's going on here, guys
Well the thread you are talking about was funny... people had a little laugh. The silly nature of it was light hearted and frankly the thread would have ended anyway... it would have dropped off the map. People would have laughed at the sillyness of the post (as was the intention I would think as I know the poster) knowing it was more a silly commentary on the fact people keep posting about MWO.... instead you took it as some personal shot which it wasn't. Yes perhaps it was out side the rules... however come on man grow a sense of humor delete the thread if you found it that objectionable... but to post a troll thread.. I mean that in a nice way I think... seeing all the moderation in here since you started the thread does seem to smack of irony.
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# 23
11-14-2012, 03:12 PM
We haven't really seen Bort around here in a while, is everything alright?

vids and guides and stuff

[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
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# 24
11-14-2012, 03:16 PM
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We haven't really seen Bort around here in a while, is everything alright?
He's over in Gameplay Bugs - new season and all - he's busy.
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# 25
11-14-2012, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by virusdancer View Post
Take a 25-29 year old from 1975, 1985, 1995, 2005, and 2012... and even if you dressed them the same - it wouldn't take long to guess which year they were from.

So you're biased.
Yes I'm biased I love STO so do the people posting about MWO here.

Your point about people changing though is complete BS. (no offense but I have been a salesman for long enough to know people are people) Peoples motives never change people still buy things for the same reasons they did 50 years ago. Doesn't really matter if that 25 year old is buying a Hi Fi Stereo... a camaro... or an Iphone. The reasons they want those items and the reasons they keep or are unhappy with them... are the same. Not sure that was my original thought though anyway. lol I picked the retail example cause it seemed to fit to me... I could have told you I have heard LARGE suppliers behave the same way over multi million dollar deals more recently... I figured the retail example would be more relatable to most people. lol
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# 26
11-14-2012, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by naz4 View Post
Please dont take this the wrong way Branflakes but it's really hard to believe that statement.

The forums have been littered with good ideas for the last few STO seasons with no uptake and/or incorporation of any of the ideas into the live game let alone any form of real feedback to these ideas, negative or positive.

We hear week in week out about you guys discussing, chatting, having internal meetings. What has the fruit of all this been to date in 3 years? (When you answer this, please take your PWE hat off and put your PVP hat on).

Before you ask the question "What would actually convince the PVP community that we (PWE / Cryptic) want PVP to be fun?", i'll give you a potential solution.
Demonstrate a time bound plan with actual progress against it using tribble as the testing grounds for the relevant milestones on the said plan. Once these milestones are successfully tested by the PVP community, migrate them onto holodeck. At this point, you will start to make us believe.

I dont need the grand all in one change to become a believer. I'm sure most PVPer's would feel the same. We want to see your vision of PVP, want to be able to influence it in a positive manner, work with you instead of against you like it currently feels and make the in game PVP a benchmark for the rest of the MMO's out there to apsire to.

The reality is that it is so far from this said vision right now, that sadly (and yes i do mean sadly) other games have spotted a gap you left / allow to open and made it their own. I have been playing the said game for at least solid week now and progressed to a "None noob" level all by doing PVP and obtaining in game currency by PVP. In that week, even though the game is still in beta, the amount of PVPer's there right now is phenomenal. I may have spotted the same name no more than a handfull of times.

Sad to say this but most of my friend list in STO is in that game now.

I really do hope this isn't falling on deaf ears and something positive comes of this event.
I don't get it either. It's unbelievable that they don't do anything PVP oriented and they haven't in 3 years. I also don't get how they can do nothing for PVP yet break the PVP challenge the last two seasons!

That said, the space PVP is f#@$ing fun and it's absolutely stupid they don't do anything to improve it. Instead they make silly changes that make it absolutely no fun. As of late, kerrat has had better PVP than PVP and it's only better because there are typically more feds than the 2-3-4 guys I'm teamed with. However once we wipe them a couple of times they move to a different instance. Finally we'll get a pop and 5 minutes later come back to a couple newb tact fed cruisers at the spawn. Kill them they leave. mix repeat. It's silly.

Since S7, there is more afkers in PVP arenas. It's silly. This morning Hei Qin and I hit the q's while doing some of the romulan crap and every match had at least 1 afker and 1 idiot just flying in to die. Why is this allowed but we can't get any rewards for these grinds?



Outside that, it's even worst that they pushed you guys off. Sure it sucks running into you guys while pugging but there have been many fun fights when we have a few guys in q. Win or lose, they were still fun, now it's just unfun (and has been for sometime but we have been patient waiting for that 1 or 2 matche/s a week that aren't complete crap.) Anyway, when a lone tact can wipe a whole team without ever using a tact team or a single tact buff while not moving, PVP has FAILED! Thanks AFKers, suicide runners, and most of all PWE for pushing these idiots into the queues for fast dil.
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# 27
11-14-2012, 03:32 PM
Don't worry STO. Sure, there might be better, higher quality games out there but you are still the cutest turd in the toilet bowl.

Saying you care isn't the same as caring. Get a clue.
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# 28
11-14-2012, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by pwebranflakes View Post
PWE wants our games to have the best PvP experience possible, as does Cryptic. We all want PvP to be fun and exciting
Do you even realise how insulting this statement is?

If you were actually honest with us and stopped this "everything is great" marketing talk, maybe we could develop new respect for Cryptic.

There has not been a single new pvp map in 2.5 years. (And we are talking about maps, not game modes here.) It took you almost a year to address the massive balance problems with the BFI doff. After many months the faw accuracy bug is still not fixed despite its massive impact on cruiser dps. Quality control when it comes to releasing new items is non-existent (see 90% MACO shield etc.).

If you really want PVP to be fun and exciting, you are extremely good at hiding it. Because ever since S1.2, the vast majority of changes have made pvp worse. Not only have there been no additions whatsoever, the quality of pvp gameplay and balance in this game has actually declined because of your development decisions.

If this wasn't an MMO where we are forced to apply every patch, many of us would have stopped patching a long time ago.
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# 29
11-14-2012, 03:43 PM
Wait. is this forum part really STO? Really? PVP forums is STO? REALLY?

Wait, pvp has been neglected for since the game was launched, can you really still call this part of the forums part of STO?

lulz.

+1 to Hilberts post.
You guys are liars.

Last edited by marctraiderz; 11-14-2012 at 03:48 PM.
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# 30
11-14-2012, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by antoniosalieri View Post
Now I understand you may not want real long winded conversations about competing product. No one does... however the fact that its happening HERE and not THERE... should be taken as a sign that people honestly want YOU to notice what is happening. Absorb what it is they are saying... go and take a good look at the competition (I have no doubt you do that already)... most importantly find away to steal there thunder.
THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE REALLY HOPING YOU WILL DO... not post threads saying don't talk about the guy down the street guys.
The point of no return for Cryptic/PWE is when they announced the content for S7. They were committed to their season being that way. There was absolutely no reason to continue agitating the situation about MWO and how great it is. When you say something over and over, it's considered to be spam. People shouldn't have to scroll through threads/posts to find a relevant post to STO about whats being discussed. And when someone posts something about it not being right, they shouldn't be called a dictator lol.

The people that made these posts had no regard for the terms of service. They should of been considerate of those that stayed committed to the game, and the stated terms of service. This is a STO Forum. MWO can pack up and leave.

Waves tainted, torn but sewed together, and lightly burnt STO PvP flag with pride.
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