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# 141
11-13-2012, 10:19 AM
As far as space STFs go with the defiant, I only use the cloak for Alpha strike,CRFIII,andHYT, against assimilated Neg'vars, and Raptors. The other STFs I usually pull the cloak, and add another Neutronium console for added durability. I don't see the need for a battlecloak for my gameplay style (fed side).
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# 142
11-13-2012, 10:42 AM
I only have a Federation Character and yes my Odyssey Tactical Cruiser is still a work in progress. i however enjoy flying alongside KDF players in STF. yes your ships arent as strong but you have modified your playing style to suit. I am not one of these people who will whine my ship isnt good enough or i dont have enough fire power. As i said my Ship is a work in progress.

But i never complain about lousy DPS. hell when i go into STF its actually good fun to see how much firepower a KDF ship has.

and if im one of those cruisers who you are refering to, ill say this. I dont want a cloaking device. why do i need one. a ship the size of an Odyssey Cruiser would put out so much energy signatures that a cloak would be pointless.
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# 143
11-15-2012, 02:33 AM
On my KDF toon, I never use the cloak 95% of the time as i see it as dishonorable, but against the Borg, it is useful for getting away from that tactical cube when it give you that dirty look
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# 144
11-15-2012, 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by theraven2378 View Post
On my KDF toon, I never use the cloak 95% of the time as i see it as dishonorable, but against the Borg, it is useful for getting away from that tactical cube when it give you that dirty look
Then you fail to understand Klingons. One, you think cloaking is dishonorable, two you use what you think is dishonorable when it suits you, and three you run away from a fight... using a means that you already think is dishonorable. You must be a Duras.
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# 145
11-17-2012, 07:08 PM
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The Defiant not having a battlecloak makes no difference to me (I have the Defiant). Sure there have been moments when I wished I could just cloak to escape my impending doom, but eh. Having played with a KDF character and a BoP it's hardly the get out of jail free card some think of it.
^ This, precisely. I have to strongly suspect that the majority of the Feds crying for a battle cloak have never played KDF in a BOP. I do, regularly... more than I play Fed side. And I LOVE my Hegh'Ta. But even in the KDF it get's more scathing reviews than glowing ones because it takes a very unique play style. In return for the Battle Cloak you give up quite a bit in shield/hull points. While cloaked you regen but slower than when not cloaked. The battle cloaking BOP is an Alpha striker, period. Get in, kill 'em, then get the hell outta dodge ASAP. Even in the KDF there are more who never manage to acquire the knack than do. I also fly a Defiant, Fed side and love it as is. It has better hull/shield support. It can be squishy, but nothing like a BOP. You willing to give up hull/shield points for an ability you may never master and might not enjoy even if you did?
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# 146
11-17-2012, 07:09 PM
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Then you fail to understand Klingons. One, you think cloaking is dishonorable, two you use what you think is dishonorable when it suits you, and three you run away from a fight... using a means that you already think is dishonorable. You must be a Duras.

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# 147
11-17-2012, 09:04 PM
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^ This, precisely. I have to strongly suspect that the majority of the Feds crying for a battle cloak have never played KDF in a BOP. I do, regularly... more than I play Fed side. And I LOVE my Hegh'Ta. But even in the KDF it get's more scathing reviews than glowing ones because it takes a very unique play style. In return for the Battle Cloak you give up quite a bit in shield/hull points. While cloaked you regen but slower than when not cloaked. The battle cloaking BOP is an Alpha striker, period. Get in, kill 'em, then get the hell outta dodge ASAP. Even in the KDF there are more who never manage to acquire the knack than do. I also fly a Defiant, Fed side and love it as is. It has better hull/shield support. It can be squishy, but nothing like a BOP. You willing to give up hull/shield points for an ability you may never master and might not enjoy even if you did?
Agreed, the BoP only has a certain number of roles it can really be viable in, despite the full universal Boffslots. Technically, you can set up a BoP and toon to have the BoP do anything you want it to. The thing is, there will almost always be a ship that does what you're doing, and does it better. The BoP is a virtual jack-of-all-trades, and that has downsides to it.

The way I see it, there are three basic roles the BoP can really be useful in. One is the hit-and-run alpha-striking combined with the decloak, which requires a sense of timing and a bit of luck. Second, the B'Rel retrofit minelayer/torpboat/sci-spammer. . .again, a build that takes getting used to in terms of playstyle. Third, the regular-BC sci-spammer/healboat. . .take a Hegh'ta and load it up with sci and eng abilities and turn it into a makeshift support vessel that can slow down enemies, shut them down, or debuff them. . .and also throw out a few extends, HEs, and Eng Teams. This would likely be done better by a B'Rel Retro, but a Hegh'ta can manage it.

The BoP almost always has trouble tanking under heavy fire. Lower shield mod, lower hullpoints, low amount of eng console slots. . .you would have to devote quite a few boff ability slots towards tanking skills to make a BoP truly tank well. In the meantime, you lose either DPS ability or you lose the ability to sci-spam/heal others.
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# 148
11-17-2012, 09:35 PM
One of these threads again?

If defiant gets battle cloak, then it must give up 1 Tac slot, 1 Weapons slot, hull, and shields just like the BOP had to when it got battle cloak.

Still comfortable with that request?
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# 149
11-17-2012, 09:35 PM
I love flying my BoP, battlecloak is awesome and hit & run tactics are my kind of play style


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# 150
11-18-2012, 12:17 AM
I wish this thread would be locked already. It's a stupid request to begin with.
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