Career Officer
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# 21
11-15-2012, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ajstoner View Post
Has anyone else noticed a certain class a player showing up to defend these shameless acts of greed? I have, both here in the forums and in-game. People who defend corporate greed with greater and greater zeal the more out of control it becomes. You know them, both "in-here" and "out-there." They rave about "freedom" as though the measure of that were the powerful's ability to exploit others without complaint or interference.
I think you're possibly mis-ascribing political motivations to profit driven ones.

Cryptic's current and former staff has always included a surprising number of socialists, as is often the case in gaming. (Socialists and libertarians are both over-represented in the tech sector.)

John Layman is pretty open about his politics. You can find the blog of Jesse Heinig, where he discusses economics and he's certain NOT Austrian or Chicago school and he helped design the dilithium economy. I won't get into what their politics are here since this is a gaming forum.

Wanting all the money they can get (and I sincerely think they spend every penny back on the game that they can) doesn't preclude having different political stances and I think you'd actually see a few devs complain that their tax bracket isn't taxed highly enough.

I'd suggest looking more at how efficiently the money that is reinvested on the game is spent (and that's a fair argument where Cryptic could improve) and how ethically and painfully the money they gather is collected (again, fair argument). The political argument is offbase, I think, and more to the point, off-topic for the forums.

I don't know if you notice but I'm a fairly wide swing voter when it comes to how Cryptic does things.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Nov 2012
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# 22
11-15-2012, 02:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ajstoner View Post
Has anyone else noticed a certain class a player showing up to defend these shameless acts of greed? I have, both here in the forums and in-game. People who defend corporate greed with greater and greater zeal the more out of control it becomes. You know them, both "in-here" and "out-there." They rave about "freedom" as though the measure of that were the powerful's ability to exploit others without complaint or interference.

They are the little rich kids you see spitting on homeless veterans and telling them to get jobs. They are the vulture real-estate agents who sweep in on foreclosed homes. They are the stock traders who sow chaos and misery for a few extra pennies they will never notice.
When you encounter people like that on the internet, they are either fanboys, trolls, trolling fanboys or sockpuppets.
Career Officer
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 932
# 23
11-15-2012, 03:04 PM
I personally like the reputation system.

Porthos is not amused.
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# 24
11-15-2012, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by stoleviathan99 View Post
I think you're possibly mis-ascribing political motivations to profit driven ones.

Cryptic's current and former staff has always included a surprising number of socialists, as is often the case in gaming. (Socialists and libertarians are both over-represented in the tech sector.)

John Layman is pretty open about his politics. You can find the blog of Jesse Heinig, where he discusses economics and he's certain NOT Austrian or Chicago school and he helped design the dilithium economy. I won't get into what their politics are here since this is a gaming forum.

Wanting all the money they can get (and I sincerely think they spend every penny back on the game that they can) doesn't preclude having different political stances and I think you'd actually see a few devs complain that their tax bracket isn't taxed highly enough.

I'd suggest looking more at how efficiently the money that is reinvested on the game is spent (and that's a fair argument where Cryptic could improve) and how ethically and painfully the money they gather is collected (again, fair argument). The political argument is offbase, I think, and more to the point, off-topic for the forums.

I don't know if you notice but I'm a fairly wide swing voter when it comes to how Cryptic does things.
Regardless of which side you support in this topic, this is one of the most thought out and carefully considered posts I've encountered. Highly impressed and appreciative of your input.
Commander
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 471
# 25
11-15-2012, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by rocketciaran View Post
I think this is far better than before, you unlock new weapons and great stuff that normally requires you to do a load of stupid stuff to get
It still requires you to do loads of stupid stuff.

For example, the special Console you can get at tier 2 romulan rep. Requires 15,000 dilithium and 500!! Romulan Marks.

Thats at Tier 2! I guarantee you wont be able to get a single "endgame" item without doing "loads of stupid stuff".

I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking having to do Azure Nebula Rescue 25 times just to get enough marks for this one item is excessive. Then you have to do 16 STFs to get the dilithium for it. Damn thats a lot of work for one console that frankly isnt very good.
Ensign
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 4
# 26
11-15-2012, 03:57 PM
Totally agree and now that there are no drops of any kind at the end of a stf, they just seem to feel 100% less rewarding to do. However my biggest issue is those frigging omega boxes trying to sell back to me what I already earned.

Last edited by gr1shim; 11-15-2012 at 04:02 PM.
Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,500
# 27
11-15-2012, 04:14 PM
S7 has failed and failed miserably. What the devs and the heads don't understand is customer service comes first. Being a F2P game I can understand that some devolpments will take time and that's okay. How ever the need for money is killing the game industry. this last move has made STO P2W and EA is planning C&C to be a F2P. 2 great franchises torn down by greed and stupidity.
Lt. Commander
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Posts: 116
# 28
11-15-2012, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by elandarksky View Post
Just want to put it out there, im pretty sure the changes are not 'Fraud'

In the many unread pages of the T&C there is likely a clause about having the right to change their game however they see fit, hence no fraud?

Edit: (I was meaning to quote the OP but forgot, whoops ^^')
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill

"A shill, plant, or stooge is a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing that he has a close relationship with that person or organization. Shill typically refers to someone who purposely gives onlookers the impression that he is an enthusiastic independent customer of a seller (or marketer of ideas) for whom he is secretly working. The person or group who hires the shill is using crowd psychology, to encourage other onlookers or audience members to purchase the goods or services (or accept the ideas being marketed). Shills are often employed by professional marketing campaigns."
Career Officer
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 10
I found a problem with the old system with omega. Your a new player, and introduced to the omega missions. But you gear is at best MK X Rare. you are going to have hard time fighting. But at least the old system you have a chance to upgrade to Very Rare gear and be up to par with everyone else. Now you have to wait to lvl 50 before you can build your reputation. and then have to Build it before you can buy MK XI Very Rare gear. Which also defeats the purpose to have Mk X Very Rare, because you are a lvl 50 and can have MK XI, SO whats the point of keeping any of the MK X gear if you can use it? At lvl 50 i am not goin to have MK X gear for my ships or persons. Might want to reconsider having lower ranks 44 and up to 49 to let them build their reputation. maybe then they can claim the MK X Very Rare.

I point this out cause i have multiple characters and my last one is lvl 44, with borg tech and one Phaser beam array MK X, and i can not build reputation until lvl 50, I was happy to get the borg gear before the change over. I wish i had heads up the it was changing and i would have used my salvage and data chips, i have alot built up for new gear on my other characters.

Maybe you should just unlock reputation teir 5 for current lvl 50 players. i been lvl 50 on them for better part of a 3 months to a year now. I think i have said my piece now.
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