Starfleet Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2012
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# 21
11-16-2012, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by aarons9 View Post
before the FA got dil you could never do one.. specially the 20 man ones..
i remember q'ing up for nearly one hour one time and finally giving up..

its nice to have an option on what you wan to play.. not just get dil in one mission you have to do over and over..

KDF has one FA for space..
there needs to be more options to get dil, not less.
This is the reason why the changes were made in the first place.

And if Cryptic decided to sneak in a nerf for dil farming dil-weeds (haha, get it?), then tough cookies.

I'm not in a position to say whether or not the nerf was necessary or will be beneficial. Only time and the market will tell, but if nothing else, there's at last a reason to do more than one thing in the daily grind.

Changes are compromise. If STF lovers (or more accurately, players that loved getting all their dil in 8 minutes doing just one thing - STFs are little better than console clicking in that regard), then sorry, try some Fleet Actions. And if you don't want to because you hate Fleet Actions, sorry, you'll have to put up with a lower farming output. If we're lucky FAs will be tweaked to make them more appealing to STF snobs.

In the meantime, the players who do want to play FAs or have fun doing them now get better rewards and won't feel forced to grind only STFs to get what they need.
Captain
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# 22
11-16-2012, 12:10 AM
Well duh, that was the plan.

1 Stockpile Dilithium
2 Complain and get all other sources nerfed to increase my stock's value
3 Send my hat-throwing Tellarite henchman to ESD to irradiate all other dil stores and increase my value even further
4 Profit!!
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# 23
11-16-2012, 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by reginamala78 View Post
Well duh, that was the plan.

1 Stockpile Dilithium
2 Complain and get all other sources nerfed to increase my stock's value
3 Send my hat-throwing Tellarite henchman to ESD to irradiate all other dil stores and increase my value even further
4 Profit!!
See? Someone always benefits. The complaining happens when the whiners realize that they don't have the monopoly on nice things anymore.
Lt. Commander
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# 24
11-16-2012, 12:22 AM
There seems to be a general opinion round here that STFs are so much better than FAs, WHY?
I have played both repeatedly and can honestly say that after enough time, neither type is more or less boring than the other, they can both turn into mind numbing grinds if you do them often enough!!!!
The FAs(for a day) at least gave a dil reward appropriate to the time expended, at 480, its not worth it, not by a long stretch!!
So thank you very bloody much all you STF whinging bastards, hope your all friggin happy, rejoice in the fact that you have made the game less rewarding for those that don't WANT to do your stupid arse missions( and repeating elite missions over and over till you can do them in your sleep DOES NOT make you a better player, any mug can do that!!!!)

Am sure there will many who try to justify their position........... but you are confusing me with somebody who gives a **** what you now have to say.

End Rant!!!
Captain
Join Date: Oct 2012
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# 25
11-16-2012, 12:24 AM
its not that people wanted the FA dil to go away, they wanted the STF dil to come back as it was..

there needs to be MORE ways to get dil, not less..
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# 26
11-16-2012, 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by aarons9 View Post
its not that people wanted the FA dil to go away, they wanted the STF dil to come back as it was..

there needs to be MORE ways to get dil, not less..
And thankfully, THAT is the feedback Cryptic listened to, and nothing more from the unreasonable corners of the room.

Simply indulging the vocal minority (i.e. every forum ever) without thought or consideration is not a winning strategy.
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# 27
11-16-2012, 01:53 AM
Know what the real problem is here? People; plain and simple. You CANNOT please everyone, and if you try, someone out there is going to call you a "kiss-ass." In fact, there is no middle ground, it seems - everyone wants everyone else to come all the way, THEIR way.

No, I'm not happy with several things with this launch like the dil fiasco and even more grind, and there were some definite issues with the train wreck (note: this is in my OPINION) that was S6, but, in the end, I am happy with most STO has to offer. But what makes me happy is going to piss someone else off, and vice versa.

My advice is that you enjoy this GAME for what it is and stave off the strokes some of you are bound to have over this, or, another solution: stop paying and/or playing and find your entertainment elsewhere. There have to be a hell of a lot of more important things in your lives to be this passionate about, and MUCH bigger issues to resolve...and if not, you have my sympathies.

Fleet Commander
Caprica's Revenge
(...actually active since November 2010, which may one day be important to archaeologists, but not to anyone else...)

Last edited by clannmac; 11-16-2012 at 01:58 AM.
Rihannsu
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# 28
11-16-2012, 02:25 AM
Option is good.

Many of the vocal STFers, me included, never play FA's and wouldn't touch them with 1440 dili either.

So yes, people like me are glad to have a choice again.

As for FA's rewarding less now, their cooldown is lower and they are infinitely easier then an Elite STF, thus, that too only makes sense to me.

Last edited by lucianazeta; 11-16-2012 at 03:09 AM.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 228
# 29
11-16-2012, 02:38 AM
Ideally, all missions should drop dilithium, just with a much wider scale based on time and difficulty. Keep 1440 as the ceiling and give that to elite STFs, with FAs one rung down the ladder (doesn't necessarily have to stay at 960) and multi-mission dailies another rung down, like the new Tau Dewa patrol. Adjust cooldowns as needed.

Folks trying to fund their fleets or just the crazy farmers would likely still gravitate towards STFs and FAs as they would reward the most, while there'd still be enough to be had from the lower rungs on the ladder to not leave anyone else out in the cold.

I'm no economist, though. Grain of salt and all that.
Commander
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# 30
11-16-2012, 02:49 AM
I agree that all missions should reward a certain amount of dilithium.
Since the start of new season dilithium sinks increasead .


About FA and STF. People who love playing STF asked for the dilithium and i agree that it was ok to give that back
Nerfing FA dilithium quantity is not ok.

The right decision it would have been (in my opinion) to put back dilithium in STF ,keep the 1440 dilithium in FA and wait for a week or two and see the statistics.
In 2 weeks time things would have settled and a correct decision would have been easier to take.

All the rush for FA was caused by STF dil nerf .
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