Captain
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# 311
11-16-2012, 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by tpalelena View Post
Also, nobody forces people who dislike pretty women to look at it.
Its an image on a webpage. And as far as women in MMOs go... not really indecently dressed.
That's just it. STO shouldn't be just another generic MMO. It should at least try to look like something more representative of its franchise. I have no problem with "pretty women" in STO, but when said women are supposed to be Starfleet officers, they should actually look the part.

And I'm not opposed to it just because I think it's distasteful. I'm opposed to it because some potential new players who check out the STO main page might be driven away. Handsome Phaser Guy wouldn't have done that.
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# 312
11-16-2012, 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by tpalelena View Post
I did not see Twilight, and I never will see it. I pity any person who had to see it.
If it can ruin such a pretty face, its evil power and baaad acting must be fell indeed!

That is one of the few things I am NOT willing to do, not even for money.


Still, when they put on a handsome man, nobody whines. When its a pretty woman, every insecure person on the internet yells "Nooooooooooo!" .

Pretty women sell stuff. PWE knows that. At least they did something good once.

Also, nobody forces people who dislike pretty women to look at it.
Its an image on a webpage. And as far as women in MMOs go... not really indecently dressed.
QFE. Considering we can have Federation female officers run around in game wearing a midriff baring halter top, go-go boots and micro-miniskirt, T'Jiggle is pretty conservatively dressed. She isn't even wearing the high heeled boots fer cryin' out loud.

Let me be blunt and put it this way: I'm paying good money to get away from all the crap, including political correctness, and immerse myself in another world.

A world where a Starfleet Captain like Jim Kirk can fong his way across the galaxy and not come down with an intergalactic STD that dissolves him into a puddle of goo before dawn. (Which probably explains why Bones was always hanging around the bridge instead of his sickbay).

A world where a separated Borg female who is uncomfortable with the idea of clothing, who also has a coincidentally incredible, awesome bod, somehow prefers to wear a skintight, high heeled catsuit instead of a long loose robe and sandals.

A world where a ship's counselor shows enough cleavage to hide a ream of paper and still doesn't distract her patients during therapy sessions while reading their emotions (seriously, how did she ever get past all the feelings about her cleavage???)...

A world that has Deltans and Betazoids, two races that like going around nekkid...well, enuff said.

I think you get my meaning.

This is a world that has been pretty darn consistent in its attitude towards eye candy for all sexes. This should not be a surprise to you! If you don't care for it, you really need to find another more politically correct world to immerse yourself in. I recommend "Hello Kitty Online".

D'Stahl, I'd really, really like to see this as wallpaper. Thanks!

Just sayin'.
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# 313
11-16-2012, 06:47 AM
I just want to point out something.


Watch TNG season 1 again. At least the first 15 episodes have at least 1 dodgy reference to sex (recently rewatched this series and kept note, since I didn't remember it being that way), if not things alot more explicit. This is a universe with **** gangs. Entire species happily run around naked. What about that episode where Wesley trampled those plants and got sentenced to death? The women there were much more sexualised. So were the men. Are people seriously getting so bent out of shape over a drawing of a female, who is no more sexually explicit than Deanna Troi was in 5 and a half years of TNG? You have high moral codes? Fine. Good for you. There are others that are more free flowing with our outlook on life. Everyone's lives must be really well sorted out if this is the worst thing in it.



I like Handsome Phaser Guy. I like Pretty Phaser Lass. I hope they both keep turning up around the place. I would probably have done her in a different pose, but the overall design of the character is lovely, and a well done to the artist from me.



You know, I'm beginning to understand why it seems the devs never listen to the forums. Because whenever they try something new, whenever they address the balance, whenever they show us a little bit of love, it always ends up a moanfest against them. Pretty much every. Single. Time.


I went off on more of a rant there than I intended. But there we go.
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# 314
11-16-2012, 06:58 AM
R.I.P. Handsome phase guy

(Or a pig)

Sorry if my English is bad.
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# 315
11-16-2012, 07:33 AM
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I went off on more of a rant there than I intended. But there we go.
No, it needed to be said. The Devs need to know that we're here too, the ones that truly appreciate the Trek eye candy experience!

The forces of PC need to know that we are willing to fight against their well-intentioned but way off base motives!

/activate Winston Churchill hologram;

We will fight them on the topless beaches of Risa...the Slave Girl Dancing Halls of Orion..and the streets of Betazed (But for the love of...please, someone, anyone, pass Mrs. Troi a robe???). We will fight, and fight, until the PC scourge is wiped...from the face...of the galaxy.

/deactivate hologram;

Or until bikini's show up in the C-store. Then I'll be happy.

Just sayin'.
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# 316
11-16-2012, 08:07 AM
I honestly believe that that people who get this upset over a single cleavage should go see a counselor or psychiatrist and get their insecurities checked.

T'Bust is pretty much dressed averagely by modern standards.
You will see much, much worse on the streets.

And to those people that think its really ruining the game, well... they need to re-watch the series.
I don't think I can find any series where women were portrayed in accordance with 1950s era fashion sense, unless we are talking about some type of monk.

On a another note.... its your choice to where to point your eyes. You can choose to look at other parts then the breasts.

"Hey buddy, my eyes are up here." - This is always an option, and I recommend it.
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# 317
11-16-2012, 08:37 AM
For me at least it's not so much about being "politically correct", it's more that her face is unattractive, she can show as much cleavage as whoever did the artwork of her wants but it's pointless if she needs a bag over her head. I'd much rather see phaser dude on the main page than that, at least he looked cool.
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# 318
11-16-2012, 08:38 AM
, I am not upset, just fine the presentation distasteful, period.
Where this a Navy Promotion poster (in theory), someone would be outta a job or demoted.

And yes, giving the view or display of 'sexism' on women in Trek in the past. That is not the overall statement of what Trek is, never was, and never will be.

Second, it is also directed towards one demographic ( or two), but mostly pitched to the males' perceptive. That is a failing all-around. It has been said many times, in this last decade or more. There is a female market as well.

Someone in the P&R office, has clearly forgotten that...

And firing a phaser pistol in a skirt, is very unrealistic, especially on away missions. The whole appearance is mostly a off-duty uniform as it looks. But that, is just my opinion...

And just for reference, there is currently a female pilot who commands over 1,000 or 5,000 Air Force personnel flight wing, she is caucasion, age 46. She earned her position, I know she will not be caught dead in something like that, presented by what is seen here.

I have seen other art, for women for this game site, and they convey authority, respect and they are doing the job. *Full uniform*

This current presentation is a poor choice...just that simple. As a compromise, there should be a male and female officers or enlisted done together. Enough of the one-sided view...




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Originally Posted by tpalelena View Post
I honestly believe that that people who get this upset over a single cleavage should go see a counselor or psychiatrist and get their insecurities checked.

T'Bust is pretty much dressed averagely by modern standards.
You will see much, much worse on the streets.

And to those people that think its really ruining the game, well... they need to re-watch the series.
I don't think I can find any series where women were portrayed in accordance with 1950s era fashion sense, unless we are talking about some type of monk.

On a another note.... its your choice to where to point your eyes. You can choose to look at other parts then the breasts.

"Hey buddy, my eyes are up here." - This is always an option, and I recommend it.

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# 319
11-16-2012, 08:44 AM
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Because whenever they try something new, whenever they address the balance, whenever they show us a little bit of love, it always ends up a moanfest against them. Pretty much every. Single. Time.
You're probably right. But I don't see how replacing Handsome Phaser Guy with that helps the balance or shows love to the fanbase.
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# 320
11-16-2012, 10:09 AM
It shows love that they are giving us a new piece of artwork.


Ok, I may have gone a bit overboard with my rant earlier. The point is though, this is not a recruitment drive for the army. This is not meant to be a realistic dipiction of military people. It's just meant to be an eye catching graphic about some random person doing something random. For a game. I don't get all this hate for this. I don't want it to be 100% realistic military. That is an entirely different target audience with an entirely different need. That is not fun. This is a game. It is meant to be fun.


And before anyone says I'm one of those breast obbsessed males, I'd be just as happily defeanding a bare chested guy up there if it looked like he was in a fight.



The addressing the balance was not aimed at this particular piece. It was aimed at other thigns they do. Such as everyone crying for the Borg to be an unstoppable force and not a joke, and when that happens, everyone cries for the Borg to be nerfed because they are too difficult.
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