Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 141
11-17-2012, 10:21 AM
And here I thought all the ignorant aholes complaining about us F2P players were finally gone.

Not that it's really any of your business, but me personally I started playing when the game went F2P because I'm on permanent medical disability and really couldn't afford the monthly sub.

In the time I've been playing I've scrape up enough to buy 4 ships (MVAE, Excel (the one with the advanced transwarp), thunderchild and yellowstone) plus a couple of small things here and there. Yes I'll admit that what I've spent on this stuff doesn't equal out would it would have if I bought the monthly subs, but it's not fair for you to say that my contributions mean nothing either.

I'm not trying to say that every other F2P player is in the same situation or that they ever buy anything, but you have to realize that not everyone has the luxury of paying a monthly sub or buying a lifetime sub.

And as far as the changes in season 7, Cryptic has stated several times now that the new rep system is how they wanted it to be when the game originally launched in the first place. Believe me I'm right there with you hating how they've added more dil requirements not just in season 7 but season 6 as well, taken away a lot of the ways and amounts to get dil and ec and fleet marks. However, it's totally unfair to pin that just on the F2P players.


PS: Sorry to everyone else that isn't trying to blame the F2P players for these changes. I didn't mean to go off on a huge rant, it's just something that really bothers me, especially with how much I love Star Trek and really wish I could have played from the very beginning.

Last edited by voicesdark; 11-17-2012 at 10:24 AM.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 142
11-17-2012, 10:30 AM
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Season 7 is an awesome content
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!

It's not a sales pitch - S7 is full of horrible features, and don't try the whole oooh loads of our fans like S7... as to make out the people complaining are a small % and make us feel indifferent, you cant pull the wool over my eyes as I know marketing techniques like the back of my hand sunshine!
Lieutenant
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# 143
11-17-2012, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ukkorby View Post
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!

It's not a sales pitch - S7 is full of horrible features, and don't try the whole oooh loads of our fans like S7... as to make out the people complaining are a small % and make us feel indifferent, you cant pull the wool over my eyes as I know marketing techniques like the back of my hand sunshine!
I am thankful for all hardwork put into S7 and any attempts to add new content to the game, however in some ways I agree with you too. I think a lot of features were implemented without taking into consideration how the community at large felt about these changes, or if it was considered then the observations were flawed.

Other MMOs make money because they get inside the heads of their players as accurately as possible, and because of this they cater features to the audience as close as possible to their desires. I don't feel like Season Seven abided as well as it should have to community desires.

In the game I am a member of an STF channel, my large sized fleet's cross faction channel, ofcoarse Zone chat, and a few other smaller chats. The chats about season 7 weren't very laced with excitement, actually more so then not they were punctuated with grudgeing speculation both documented and speculated of nerfs and reductions to a lot of the game. Infact no one sounded excited at all about the personal advancement system.

I think the temporal lock boxes add-on was better received then Season 7. At least in the channels I was a member of people said more positive things about the rewards from the lockboxes. It also had people that complained that lockbox chances were too rare to be honest, but imo I thought the TLB Add on was a fantastic add on.

It's probably also a good idea to hold onto some features before releaseing them until the right kind of buzz is around them. Personal Advancement System probably would have been better received if it weren't part of so many changes, it could have been held off until a new lockbox event happened, and then released with it. In this way people who vacation on STO will be around for the new feature and the lockbox event. I supose this is armchair speculation about "what cryptic could have done" but it can be adapted to notes for the future.

In the future PLEASE CRYPTIC: Do marketing surveys. Don't run off into the wild blue yonder with odd add on ideas. And if you have to nerf dilithium to maintain a balance or add dilithium to an event, please do it slowly- observe the results and if neccassary increment another change and repeat until you are happy with the results.

Don't underestimate my interest in this game making money. I have an agenda to help make this game make money so there are more resources to draw from for patches, hardware, and add-ons. Our goal is the same Cryptic.

Last edited by anomalousx; 11-17-2012 at 12:15 PM.
Career Officer
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# 144
11-18-2012, 04:17 AM
Why is no one else asking the deeper question? How soon is PW planning on losing their license to the Star Trek franchise? Is it because they're refusing to renew it, or is it because they're being refused a renewal? How soon will it be before PW's Star Trek license expires? Seriously? When a corporation knows for certain in advance that one of its departments will be shutting down, they sap as much cash from that branch of business as they can. It happens in every time a casino switches ownership in Atlantic City. The CEO's cut benefits to the employees, wholesale hotel rooms to keep them packed while ceasing maintenance and cutting back on cleaning services, etc. etc. By the time the casino is dropped from their ledger, all profits made go to the parent corporation and the casino left behind is left run to the ground.

I have read the last PW public financial report. They do not mention renewing their licensing rights to Star Trek anywhere. The whole license to Star Trek seems pretty hush hush. So tell us please, when is the license up on Star Trek for this game. And seriously, come time for license renewal, is the license going to be renewed? Bring back some consumer confidence to your player base PW. Tell us what you plan to do with this game. Cause honestly, I'm worried as to whether it will be around for much longer. Tell me you guys just got greedy and the game is still going to be around longer than a year or two from now.

Last edited by robuille; 11-18-2012 at 04:27 AM.
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# 145
11-18-2012, 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by omfg4202 View Post
This was posted by DStahl today regarding the generally negative feedback about changes to STFs and end-game content in Season 7. I would like to know how people feel about this, and whether or not the general consensus is that it goes far enough to rectify the most grievous of complaints.
well you guys wanted the dil back in stf. most stupid thing ever. now the dil income is actually nerfed thanks to you guys. a 10 min fleet action gave more dil then elite stf before s7 hit.
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# 146
11-18-2012, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by robuille View Post
Why is no one else asking the deeper question? How soon is PW planning on losing their license to the Star Trek franchise? Is it because they're refusing to renew it, or is it because they're being refused a renewal? How soon will it be before PW's Star Trek license expires? Seriously? When a corporation knows for certain in advance that one of its departments will be shutting down, they sap as much cash from that branch of business as they can. It happens in every time a casino switches ownership in Atlantic City. The CEO's cut benefits to the employees, wholesale hotel rooms to keep them packed while ceasing maintenance and cutting back on cleaning services, etc. etc. By the time the casino is dropped from their ledger, all profits made go to the parent corporation and the casino left behind is left run to the ground.

I have read the last PW public financial report. They do not mention renewing their licensing rights to Star Trek anywhere. The whole license to Star Trek seems pretty hush hush. So tell us please, when is the license up on Star Trek for this game. And seriously, come time for license renewal, is the license going to be renewed? Bring back some consumer confidence to your player base PW. Tell us what you plan to do with this game. Cause honestly, I'm worried as to whether it will be around for much longer. Tell me you guys just got greedy and the game is still going to be around longer than a year or two from now.

I wondered this as well... I have followed their stock and the consensus is a hold on this stock by research firms without investment ties. They are very cash heavy which is the only redeeming quality for an investor. Their 3rd quarter results are due out 11/19 and they paid a special cash dividend of $2 last April to shareholders which tends to spike interest in their stock but looking at revenues though they have fallen off drastically the last few quarters since its acquisition of Cryptic. PW has fared better than others in the industry but you still have to wonder why PW was even interested in STO since it doesn't fit their genre of games. They could however just as easily sell off the property to some other company just as Atari did and all this could be to make the revenue numbers look rosy on the STO game.
Career Officer
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# 147
11-19-2012, 02:02 PM
looks like this post got pushed back into obscurity so that most people won't get a look at it. Nice tactic to keep people from taking a look at it. Still no answer about the license eh PW?
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# 148
11-19-2012, 05:35 PM
Am I happy with it? I'll let you know when I can stay logged on for more than a minute at a time.

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# 149
11-19-2012, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by omfg4202 View Post
This was posted by DStahl today regarding the generally negative feedback about changes to STFs and end-game content in Season 7. I would like to know how people feel about this, and whether or not the general consensus is that it goes far enough to rectify the most grievous of complaints.
First of all, thank you for the calm way you opened the thread. While some have engaged in histrionics , it's worth noting two things.


When I complain about crap being broken in D3, I get no response.
When I complain about crap being broken in SWTOR, I get no response.
When I complain about crap being broken in Warhammer, I get no response.
When I complain about crap being broken in TSW, I get no response.

I'm not 100% happy with the response by DStahl. But STO is about the only game where the devs at least make the damned effort to TRY to fix things they break. They don't always get it right and some of what they've done is clearly for the moniez....but how's that different than any of these other blood-sucking game companies?


Second, the biggest issue remains the ratio of effort vs. reward and accomplishment vs. grind. They need to seriously take a look at this, since you can't balance it for the elite without driving casuals insane, and you can't balance it for causals without the elite blasting through it in a day.

For those of you raging: Cool off. That's what Cryptic wants. Instead of really addressing your issues, they'll half-ass something and it will seem reasonable, and the anger will die down. Instead of flaming, find the logical inconsistencies in between what they've stated and what they produced.
Rihannsu
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# 150
11-20-2012, 07:34 AM
Am I happy with Criptic compromise? Dilitium is harder to get. I have to play the whole night to get 8k dilitium on one toon. Can't do it with 3 toons.

You get less dilitium from doing missions, when they reintroduced dilitium into STF they reduced fleet action dilitium from 1444 to 480, why not keep the same.

Now you can only do one daily alert, do one in a sector and you can't do another into another sector until next day, why did they nerf that. Sometimes I could do 4-5 of those in a day moving about the galaxy and working on accolades, can't do it for dilitium anymore. Tholian alert is so hard to get into I just about gave up on it.

Everything cost more dilitium, Doffs in particular are a steal. What the f**k, we need those to do project and you overcharge us for them.

To add insult to injury they say average player refined 3500 dil a day. Well its getting real hard to get to that total on one toon now, let alone many. I loosing my will to play that game, its getting more a chores that playing. Need this go get it, need that go get it, need those get some, got no time to simply play now, all I do now is get ressources to do thing I don't really have a choice doing if I want to get the good stuf. And now we have literally **** as loot in STF to booth so I'm not gonna raise much EC with those.

And the final straw, SB24 and Cie. YOu guys get lucky and send into new instances? I get an already started instance 2 time out of 3, thats SUCKS big time. How to you get first when the instance is already half over, and getting first is the way to get the good stuf.

And that whole **** about scoring not been attached to DPS, BU**SH*T. I do with my engineer in my cruiser I get 2-3 and more and rarely first. When in my escort 1-2 sometimes 3. I know my escort with my engineer on board do about 4.5-5k dps, with cruiser 3.5-4k dps. Do a little math and you will know why I take escort into those.

To sum up they didn't compromise, they took it, made like they were giving us something back while taking it from somewhere else. People are getting fed up and you'll loose lots of them if you don't fix that soon.
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