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# 21
11-16-2012, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dilbart View Post
But there's also less Zen in the system because people won't buy it because it's worth less.

Lat time I checked i paid the same amount of money on it

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Originally Posted by stonefyre View Post
'Cause Cryptic has never lied. 'Nuff said.

So you say that cryptic ruins their economy by cheating dilithium or zen into economy? *facepalm*

There is no reason on this planet to add dilithium or zen into the exchange when they can nerf dilithium rewards.


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Originally Posted by tweakey View Post
What I think cryptic should do if they want more money and to make players happier is to first raise the cap on dilithium refining to 10,000 a day and make all missions drop 1440 raw dilithium, this will cause a lot of players to have excess dilithium even with the cap increase, they could then add a new doff mission with a 4 hour timer that refines 1000 dilithium, the mission would require 10 refinement tokens that would be bought from the zen store for 20 zen each which players could sell on the exchange.
So increase the dilithium refining not lower the dilithium prices/requirments ?
please tell me you dont work for IRS

Last edited by adrianm63; 11-16-2012 at 01:50 PM.
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# 22
11-16-2012, 01:49 PM
I still havent figured out WHY it's so important to cryptic that everyone is hitting their limit ? Somedays I don't even log two of my toons on (16k dilith lost) and alot of times dont push my main to his limit. So I'm skewing their numbers by not playing so much, BIG DEAL.

So why's it so important to them ? They getting a kickback from my ISP for online time or something ?
KBF Lord MalaK
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You're gonna upgrade my Chel Grett for FREE but charge me $30 to upgrade my Kamarag ?
Captain
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# 23
11-16-2012, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by lordmalak1 View Post
I still havent figured out WHY it's so important to cryptic that everyone is hitting their limit ? Somedays I don't even log two of my toons on (16k dilith lost) and alot of times dont push my main to his limit. So I'm skewing their numbers by not playing so much, BIG DEAL.

So why's it so important to them ? They getting a kickback from my ISP for online time or something ?
* They want to put more emphasis on dilithium as a currency used for things other than trading for zen

* In order to use dilithium as a currency they need to ensure that every player has access to it.

* The typical amount of dilithium refined by a player will be integral to the price of any new content or items which utilize dilithium.

They want to offer new stuff, but it would be silly to set the prices at a point where only the top 5% grinders have enough dil to participate. That's why they want to make sure you're refining: to involve you other systems. If you don't have dil then everything they want to build upon dil is irrelevant to you.

Captain
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# 24
11-16-2012, 02:09 PM
Ahh, so you can thank me for not gathering my limit of dilith.
KBF Lord MalaK
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You're gonna upgrade my Chel Grett for FREE but charge me $30 to upgrade my Kamarag ?

Last edited by lordmalak1; 11-16-2012 at 02:11 PM.
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# 25
11-16-2012, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by adrianm63 View Post
Lat time I checked i paid the same amount of money on it

I don't believe you understand what I meant.

When Zen was worth 300 Dilithium every 500 Zen package netted you 150k Dilithium. Now it's worth 150 which nets you 75k Dilithium. Dilithium prices haven't fallen in game which means your $5 is worth less in game.

Less value means fewer purchases.
Captain
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# 26
11-16-2012, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by dilbart View Post

I don't believe you understand what I meant.

When Zen was worth 300 Dilithium every 500 Zen package netted you 150k Dilithium. Now it's worth 150 which nets you 75k Dilithium. Dilithium prices haven't fallen in game which means your $5 is worth less in game.

Less value means fewer purchases.
most people will want the same amount of dilithium and they will buy more zen not less zen.
Zen is worth less only if you count the dilithium .For those who buy zen for c store items dilithium exchange rate is not important.

Last edited by adrianm63; 11-16-2012 at 05:26 PM.
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# 27
11-17-2012, 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by adrianm63 View Post
So increase the dilithium refining not lower the dilithium prices/requirments ?
please tell me you dont work for IRS
If cryptic just did the add 1440 raw dil to all missions and the 10k dil refinement cap, it would mean you would be able to finish getting items/projects 20% faster. A 40k project would take 1 day less and a 200k project 5 days less. Also by adding 1440 raw dil to all missions people can do the missions they want whether it be stf's, fa's, story missions, pvp or farming fleet credits instead of having to spend time repeating missions they're not interested in or have got bored of.

Last edited by tweakey; 11-17-2012 at 05:27 AM.
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# 28
11-17-2012, 01:42 PM
Heres how their current market has affected my spending in game: Ive put Zen on the market for Dilithium. Last I did it I got 320+ dil per Zen. That to me seemed a fair exchange and a lot of Dil for putting real world money into their game. Ive already seen it too good, theres no way Im buying Zen to give to the F2Pers now, not at half the payout my real world cash once got me. They want to make dilithium more valuable? Fine. The way I see it now, my extra cash can go towards expansion packs in other games and new games, instead of spending real world cash for a miniscule time shortcut of acquiring dilithium for the gear I want. And since PvP sucks in STO where only the top gear guys survive, I stick with PvE. And Im in no real hurry to fully deck out my ship and crew just so I can kill NPCs a few seconds faster. When I spend cash in this game now, it will be for the rare Z store item I want. Ive never been tempted by Lockboxes and never will be.

I'll tell you what Cryptic, I dont buy lockboxes, but I do buy the occasional ONE key to throw on the market for a million+ EC. But since you've let EC get out of hand, my one key I give to the poor in this game buys me less EC. EC prices need to be capped in this game. Its ridiculous when I see mark VI gear and lower going for several hundred thousand EC. I say there needs to be a multiplier cap that wont let the exchange allow you to sell an item for more than 10 times or something its listed EC value. So if Cryptic says something is worth 10,000 EC, then it can NEVER be sold for more than 100,000 EC on the exchange.

But maybe Im a rare smart consumer of this game and they still havnt exhausted their supply of suckers selling zen at current dil prices. Its just a game, its not gas for my car or food on my table or clothes on my back. I will NOT let this game's economy dictate how much more money it gets out of me. As a paying customer, I pay on MY terms. And when my terms arent met, I happily just grind dil slowly with everyone else, enjoying the game for months at a time without giving them a dollar.
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# 29
11-17-2012, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by doubleohnine View Post
since you've let EC get out of hand, my one key I give to the poor in this game buys me less EC. EC prices need to be capped in this game. Its ridiculous when I see mark VI gear and lower going for several hundred thousand EC. I say there needs to be a multiplier cap that wont let the exchange allow you to sell an item for more than 10 times or something its listed EC value. So if Cryptic says something is worth 10,000 EC, then it can NEVER be sold for more than 100,000 EC on the exchange.
It would of course be silly to complain about the markup on hard to find things, since the vendor price does not include scarcity in any fashion. So: what easily found item are you trying to buy at more than 1000% of base price?
Captain
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# 30
11-17-2012, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by momaw View Post
It would of course be silly to complain about the markup on hard to find things, since the vendor price does not include scarcity in any fashion. So: what easily found item are you trying to buy at more than 1000% of base price?
Ranking up my two new toons, I was tempted to use EC to buy stuff on the market, blues and purples while at Commander/Captain. I use to craft my lower toons stuff off my sugar daddy main, but with S7 demanding so much dil, Im sitting on my 300K supply of dil for reputation stuff. But then I cant even deck out using EC even at low ranks because of how silly some of the prices are for blues and purples in the lower ranks when toons are poor anyways. So, I'll just take longer to kill NPCs during missions I guess.
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