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# 11
11-18-2012, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by starkaos View Post
If you feel inexperienced or incompetent towards STFs, then the ISE is the best Elite STF for getting Borg Neural Processors. Stay out of more difficult STFs until you are comfortable with it. All that is needed for the ISE is to know the 10% rule.
You don't even need the 10% Rule. Infected space is literally impossible to fail, because your main objective is to destroy all Borg ships and structures in the system.
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# 12
11-18-2012, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by lnblade View Post
You don't even need the 10% Rule. Infected space is literally impossible to fail, because your main objective is to destroy all Borg ships and structures in the system.
^^ This.


heck, you could spend hours in ISE just blowing up borg if you wanted to.....and getting blown up rofl...thats if everyone else left lol

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I find this line of replies sadly hilarious. We put a lot of work into the massive list of fixes/changes above, and ya'll are hung up on the ability to skip our content. =p
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# 13
11-18-2012, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by conundrumnsa View Post
Congrats on completely failing at reading comprehension ol uber one.

Because earning 100 OMs is so much faster than running one eSTF.
I agree, it would be nice to have an alternate route to getting the Mk XII gear besides the Elite STFs. Have it take a lot longer, so that the people who want to run ESTFs can get their instant gratification, and everyone else has to spend a lot of time grinding for it.
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# 14
11-18-2012, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by lnblade View Post
You don't even need the 10% Rule. Infected space is literally impossible to fail, because your main objective is to destroy all Borg ships and structures in the system.
People always want to try for the optional to get the extra 15 OM. Infected space is possible to fail due to some of your team leaving. Try taking on the Tactical Cube when there is only 2 people left and they are of average skill.
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# 15
11-18-2012, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by lnblade View Post
You don't even need the 10% Rule. Infected space is literally impossible to fail, because your main objective is to destroy all Borg ships and structures in the system.
While you're correct that Infected has no fail condition like Cure and Khitomer does, and so technically you can't 'lose', the problem is if people don't bring enough DPS to the party or don't observe the 10% rule if they aren't damage dealers, Infected can become a hard slog and you CAN end in a stalemate - especially if people get fed up and leave.

I've been in PUGs that didn't observe the 10% rule and we've won, either because the entire party is full of tacs running escorts (this happened last night) or we just kept perservering even when one supposed-elite player got fed up and called us all noobs and left us in the lurch. THAT game lasted over an hour.

A similar game to that last one had too many people depart while at the same time no-one left could bring enough damage to bear or they were off chasing regular spheres instead of the nanite ones. I played a game like that just before the servers went down for the S7 launch. I even said at the start '10% rule' and nobody replied to me. Considering it was like 10mins to the server shut down, and we had gotten stuck at the first transformer which was swarming with nanite spheres and nobody was targeting them, I figured I may as well abort; but even if that weren't an issue, I'd hate to play a game like that for over an hour before people figured out what they had to do. While the 10% rule is not always necessary, I have to disagree that you don't need it or don't need to be aware of it.
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# 16
11-18-2012, 04:56 PM
You see devs this is why you should have held your ground on the stfs, you gave them this rep system and now they want a way to do it without even having to do stfs thats good. Do any of you players know what a mmorpg is? Or do I need to describe it to you slowly? This is just wow.
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# 17
11-18-2012, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by conundrumnsa View Post
How would people feel about an alternate method of earning Born Neural Processors? Currently the only way to get them is Elite STFs. A lot of people don't like STFs...at least not the elite ones.
I hate to break it to you, but wearing that Elite STF Gear kinda implies that you are good at Elite STFs.

And if you don't play STFs what do you want with STF gear? That stuff has only one function and that is to be more efficient at STFs.
Instant Remodulator and +extra dmg vs. Borg and effects that clear Nanite infestations... none of that is really needed when you shoot anything that is not Borg.


Be honest, you just want the Shiny Helmet but you don't want to work for it.
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# 18
11-18-2012, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by zerobang View Post
Be honest, you just want the Shiny Helmet but you don't want to work for it.
That is exactly it.

Now what I don't get, is why you're acting like that's a bad thing. If you're a big, though, superintelligent and whatnot Elite STFer, just, you know, generally superior, why is playing dressup so important to you? Showing your elite status can be done by other means. Titles are way less likely to get your awesomeness called into question than some shiny suit...

People want the costumes cause they'd like to customize their characters, even if they're not RPers (who, really, have no business wearing full tactical getup, complete with an airtight helmet, into Quarks, unless they're fumigating the place) they often have this idea of what their character does in Starfleet that may or may not make the M.A.C.O. armor suitable for them. It's not that unusual. And as for the K.H.G. stuff... The K.D.F. has very little in costume customization options, within and without the C-store. The concentration of people who would want that unlock, for reasons other than peacocking, is even (and understandably) higher still there.

There are 0 other uniform unlocks that can be earned through similar systems. Yes, there's a token jacket at level 40, and yes, there's some diplomatic options that the doff system made almost as easy to obtain, but no, the Lobi slotmachines and veteran awards don't even come close to it. There's no such reward for completing all storyline missions. There's no such reward for doing 500 Foundry missions, or creating 5. (Is there some kind of prize for making the spotlight?) PvP? Hell no. You bothered to get all the academy lore datachips? Great! Here's nothing. Not even a title on this one.

I understand the STF people think they are super special, but they're really not. They're people with too much time on their hands, like the rest of us who play online games, and who merely choose to run different content than other players, over and over again, using tactics and builds other people worked out for them two days after the content was released, complaining about all the people who didn't major in Assimilated Strategies at the University of Youtube, and have thus far been lucky to get a shiny to go with their diploma. No. Give the shiny to the guy who invented the 10% rule for you. 95% of you are really in no position to strut.

Anyway, I'm not against prestige items, but I do think if you're going to have them, have them for different things. There needs to be more than just the one choice. And until there are, exclusivity will have to take a backseat. Though even then, you'll always have people doing things they don't want to do, and doing them badly, cause they really want that particular shiny, for whatever reason.

And just for the record, while I wouldn't use the system myself (I stopped doing normal mode 500 STFs ago*) I don't think a project exchanging 100 Omega Marks for a Borg Neural Processor is out of bounds. Seems like a very sensible thing to do.

* On my main anyway. You would not want to be subjected to some of my alts in ESTFs.
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# 19
11-18-2012, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by gaalom View Post
You see devs this is why you should have held your ground on the stfs, you gave them this rep system and now they want a way to do it without even having to do stfs thats good. Do any of you players know what a mmorpg is? Or do I need to describe it to you slowly? This is just wow.
Yes, MMOs are multiplayer games full of elitist holier than thou jerks.
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# 20
11-18-2012, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by zerobang View Post
I hate to break it to you, but wearing that Elite STF Gear kinda implies that you are good at Elite STFs.

And if you don't play STFs what do you want with STF gear? That stuff has only one function and that is to be more efficient at STFs.
Instant Remodulator and +extra dmg vs. Borg and effects that clear Nanite infestations... none of that is really needed when you shoot anything that is not Borg.


Be honest, you just want the Shiny Helmet but you don't want to work for it.
As has been pointed out, you don't have to be good, you can farm ISE.


Also, as pointed out in the OP. The BS you only need endgame gear for endgame content holds no water at all because the elitists use that gear in ALL of the games content.
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