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# 51
11-19-2012, 09:50 AM
Just stop by to collect the tears, tears fuel my starbase. ^^
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# 52
11-19-2012, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by shimmerless View Post
Kinda crazy how fast people run for the nerf hammer.
Oooo... there is a build that can survive this! Then it can't be anything wrong? Since the torps are invisible, you'd need 100% up-time on AtoD, and even with 2 copies of HE, 15 seconds is plenty to burn through your entire hull with DoTs. And getting a HE from a friend? then he burns up in your place, as those un-buffed torps are going at almost FAW-like distribution.

Anyway, HE is besides the point, as the torp itself has enough punch to one-pop you. And if you survive the first, the next 2-3 may only be seconds behind. Even if you're not the target.
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# 53
11-19-2012, 10:46 AM
There is absolutely no need for a nerf, if anything a small buff would be good. It's nice that there is one mission where the NPCs actually put up a fight and it would a shame if whiners ruin that because they can't stand there being even one mission that they can't just faceroll their way through. There isn't even any exclusive reward for this mission, so I don't get the knee-jerk calls to nerf everything.
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# 54
11-19-2012, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by spacepenguin121 View Post
There is absolutely no need for a nerf, if anything a small buff would be good. It's nice that there is one mission where the NPCs actually put up a fight and it would a shame if whiners ruin that because they can't stand there being even one mission that they can't just faceroll their way through. There isn't even any exclusive reward for this mission, so I don't get the knee-jerk calls to nerf everything.
being one-shot is not:
- fun
- challenging
- interresting
- a chance to show off skill

it's just stoopid. Like it is now, going into a STF with a BoP is just pointless. You'll be one-shot, repeatedly.
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# 55
11-19-2012, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by pvehero View Post
being one-shot is not:
- fun
- challenging
- interresting
- a chance to show off skill

it's just stoopid. Like it is now, going into a STF with a BoP is just pointless. You'll be one-shot, repeatedly.
bring a healer
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# 56
11-19-2012, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by havam View Post
bring a healer
/Carebear Mode
But I'm Captain Kirk, I don't need no stinkin' healer. Derp.
/End Carebear Mode
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# 57
11-19-2012, 11:50 AM
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bring a healer
you can't heal death
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# 58
11-19-2012, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by pvehero View Post
being one-shot is not:
- fun
- challenging
- interresting
- a chance to show off skill

it's just stoopid. Like it is now, going into a STF with a BoP is just pointless. You'll be one-shot, repeatedly.
I'll take issue with that, since I MAINLY rely on the Bird of Prey (my 'Main' is KDF now, and she's a BoP driver right down to her teeth and toenails).

Hive Onslaught's not EASY by any means, but it's not a faceroll, either, at least, not in a Bird of Prey if you're even half awake and know what you're doing. Ran it the other night in a fleet Norgh. Yah, the one with less hull than a runabout and a craptastic shield modifier.

NO PROBLEM TO REPORT.

IF you have a good team. which is just like CSE is/was; a good team with the right set of captains and it's relatively easy to beat, a bad team set up for, say, ISE (the EASIEST of the STF missions) is going to get facerolled by the Unimatrix ships (and that's assumign they get past the cubes and spheres...)

you REALLY can't set up your BoP like some skittleboat fed and expect to come out of it in good shape-which is true of CSE or any other half-decent mission content.

I hate telling a fellow klink these words, but really...learn how to use your ship, the mission content's not THAT hard.
Captain
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# 59
11-19-2012, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by pvehero View Post
you can't heal death
^this

no matter how many healers you got on a team, if you are oneshot killed
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# 60
11-19-2012, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by pvehero View Post
Oooo... there is a build that can survive this! Then it can't be anything wrong? Since the torps are invisible, you'd need 100% up-time on AtoD, and even with 2 copies of HE, 15 seconds is plenty to burn through your entire hull with DoTs. And getting a HE from a friend? then he burns up in your place, as those un-buffed torps are going at almost FAW-like distribution.

Anyway, HE is besides the point, as the torp itself has enough punch to one-pop you. And if you survive the first, the next 2-3 may only be seconds behind. Even if you're not the target.
Well personally I never get totally one-shotted even when I'm not cycling resists, and I run some pretty squishy ships. Once in a blue moon I'll pop because of a freak crit, or because the torp was "invisible". It's never common enough to have any substantial impact on the result of the run itself, though.

There are so many different ways to approach and counter the NPCs dude, I refuse to believe that you've tried all of them.

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