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# 41
11-20-2012, 08:35 AM
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I forgot about the Orions, as pirates and mercs their ships would be composites of open market gear and captured components so I see something similar to a bugship in layout with a bridge full of universals.
You're giving me an odd idea:

the Orion ships we currently have are all...Orion.
I mean they were appearently all properly designed and built either by the Orions or for them.
What we currently don't have are ships that are externally made up of captured or perhaps discarded and refurbished parts.
I think something like that would be interesting.
Something like this:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ugly

but perhaps with outdated parts of non-fighter ships from major factions.
Like a D-5 hull, Constitution refit nacelles and a Bird of Prey command section, all painted in proper Orion green.
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# 42
11-20-2012, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by misterde3 View Post
You're giving me an odd idea:

the Orion ships we currently have are all...Orion.
I mean they were appearently all properly designed and built either by the Orions or for them.
What we currently don't have are ships that are externally made up of captured or perhaps discarded and refurbished parts.
I think something like that would be interesting.
Something like this:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ugly

but perhaps with outdated parts of non-fighter ships from major factions.
Like a D-5 hull, Constitution refit nacelles and a Bird of Prey command section, all painted in proper Orion green.
Thats kinda what I was thinking- starships composed of an assortment of mis-matched parts, like the Reavers ships in firefly.
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# 43
11-20-2012, 09:38 AM
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Thats kinda what I was thinking- starships composed of an assortment of mis-matched parts, like the Reavers ships in firefly.
Ah, I thought you were referring to the internal arrangement.
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# 44
11-20-2012, 09:50 AM
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Ah, I thought you were referring to the internal arrangement.
Well, that too.
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# 45
11-20-2012, 10:15 AM
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Not quite.

FASA Corporation ceased active operations but still exists holding its IPs that it licenses, FASA Interactive was purchased by Microsoft.
Last I had seen CliffHanger was making a Shadowrun MMO. Has this changed?
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# 46
11-20-2012, 10:36 AM
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Nope. The Hoh'sus is an entirely separate design that shares a Bridge Officer layout with the Hegh'ta.

(as the owner of both Fleet BoPs, a B'rel, and a Hegh'ta...the two are NOT the same bird, anymore than a Defiant is a sabre.)

The Hoh'sus is something you buy for the stats, and only the Stats, the model was made as the pet for the Bortas/Bortasque, teh separate ship is an afterthought, and looks like it.
Ah, I was thinking on function not so much the look of it. For Looks my favorite is the classic B'rel.
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# 47
11-21-2012, 09:06 AM
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Sadly I've developed my love of Klingon starships from non-canon sources (SFB,SFC, klingon academy, etc) and have no love for the canon ships. Until STO breaks away from on-screen canon we'll only get the same old crap we have now. No SuvwI'QeH, no voDleH class, no pumwI'-class. Instead we'll get BoP's that dwarfs D7's in size, more Negh'Vars and vorcha's.

The D5 would be nice, as well as an upgrade to the Koro'T'inga.
I was thinking about which ships were my favourites just a few days ago.
Aside from the K't'inga, a lot of them were Interplay and FASA designs.

And when I thought about the reason: those were for the most part the ships that broke the mold to one degree or another:
The voDleH from Klingon Academy (4 nacelles, a rather "strong" neck), the Riskadh from FASA (an interesting main hull design), the Romulan Sparrowhawk from SFC (just beautiful, yet defies decription somewhat).
I also very much like the QuD Bird of Prey.
Interestingly enough if both KA and STO were canon, I think we could draw a design lineage from the QuD to the Norgh, they both have similar features.

While there are Cryptic ships that break the mold a bit as well, I feel they often have too few familiar elements that allow me to connect them with the ships they were derived from.
That's probably why the Norgh is my favourite Cryptic BoP, it has it own distinctive features, but it still retains enough from the B'rel to be recogizable without resorting to the method I have to use for many of the others which is "if it has wings, it's a BoP".

And I think Cryptic needs to find a middle ground between slightly altering a familiar design and changing it so much it's barely identifiable as a Klingon ship.
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# 48
11-21-2012, 04:22 PM
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I'd like a Fleet Kar'fi and Fleet Varanus added to the game
^ This

That was easy...
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# 49
11-21-2012, 11:00 PM
I'm actually quite happy with the fleet Vorcha/Vorkang also called Tor'Kaht's performance. However I don't get why inspite of having the lower tier Vor'kang bought still requires you to have FOUR bloody ship modules to buy the Tor'Kaht... nice way to screw KDF over.... I now understand why some players can get a little cynical at what KDF is promised and what they get.

Sooo... I wudnt be surprised if the Flt Varanus or Flt Karfi are just slightly re-moddled but essentially the same ship with better specs but still costing you 4 modules to buy.
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# 50
11-22-2012, 01:08 AM
Thinking about what is, in fact, still "Uniquely Klingon", they really only have ONE type of ship that is "uniquely Klingon" in the game-as in something that the Klingons actually manage to DO better than everyone else.

Klingon Cruisers are Fat raptors, or Raptors are skinny Cruisers, take your pick (except the Bortasque, which is, to my eyes, a Klingon attempt at a semi-mobile Starfleet-style command post vessel, and the Vo'quv, which is obviously the real base-chassis for it.)

What Klingon designers and engineers build, better than everyone else, is the multipurpose special operations or "Raider" type ship.

aka the Bird of Prey, which does NOT function well in the stand-up, set-piece battle structure favoured by the Federation, Breen, Tholians, Cardassians, Dominion...what it excels at, is the assassination mission, the deep strike mission, the "I sneak behind your fixed defenses, and pull your underpants over your head before breaking your spine." missions.

Bird of Prey design and use, typifies the "Your fortress walls are no obstacle" type of tactical mission, the "Yes, you made it very hard to get in, now let me demonstrate to you how you made it even HARDER for you to escape."

For those that discount KDF's intelligence capabilities, think on thus: During the Dominion War, Federation intel had NO IDEA that the Cardies (any of them) were collaborating with the Dominion. NONE. KDF knew that people high in the Cardy government were compromised-and acted on that knowledge to the shock and horror of the blissly naive Federation. In STO canon, it was the KDF, not Starfleet or Section 31, that detected the infiltration and compromise of the Gorn Hierarchy by the Undine. this was not a fluke. A warrior who knows nothing of his enemy will be defeated, and the wind does not respect a fool.

Yeah, we don't have the best technologies, we don't have shiny, purpose-built elint vessels, but the Bird of Prey is THE special forces ship. It's atmosphere capable, stealthy, long-ranged, well armed, flexible, and effective.

And honestly, nobody else has anything that works in its mission set as well as it does, yet it works as well pulling combat-escort and strike missions as any 'superior', better armed and shielded, heavier hulled vessel out there.

all we really need, is a BoP with some minor improvements-these can be as simple as an improvement in build quality and systems efficiency. The Norgh (Fleet variant) and derivative Hoh'sus point the way here-we just need to get the yards following it.
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