Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 21
11-20-2012, 11:35 AM
What is this 'pay to win' everyone keeps talking about? At what point do you need anything in the Z-Store to win an STF? Or *any* content in the game?

And the game doesn't have a big focus on PVP. Is there a single prize you get for PVP other than some accolades?

Seriously, you're not 'paying to win'. You're 'paying for some cosmetic features'. The two are really very different.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 977
# 22
11-20-2012, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by cindylawson View Post
What is this 'pay to win' everyone keeps talking about? At what point do you need anything in the Z-Store to win an STF? Or *any* content in the game?

And the game doesn't have a big focus on PVP. Is there a single prize you get for PVP other than some accolades?

Seriously, you're not 'paying to win'. You're 'paying for some cosmetic features'. The two are really very different.
Agreed. The term is very trendy, but doesn't really apply in this game. I flew an Advanced Escort for a long time in eSTF. It had the MVAM on it that I moved from the actual MVAE, but I didn't necessarily activate it. In fact in cases where I didn't, it was just a waste of a console slot. When I did activate it, it was usually just for the boss since it makes you too squishy for the main part of the missions. Lately I run a Fleet Tactical Escort. Yes, this ship costs money, but it just makes the missions a little easier. It isn't at all necessary for Fleet Actions, Fleet/Romulan Marks events, or even STFs. I've seen a lot of freebie RA level ships doing just fine.

Most Zen Store consoles/abilities do not make that much differrence at the end of the day. They have wicked long cooldowns, and hardly qualify as click to win. Without proper buffs and good timing (player skill), most of them will fail to make much difference at all. For the most part, they're flashy and a bit of fun, but hardly game breaking.

PvP may be different. When competing against humans, a tiny edge makes all the difference. This is why I don't PvP much, it's too much damn work obsessing over minute differences. But, that's PvP. You have the same problem playing card games. Or even sports. There's always that guy who spent a fortune on his equipment and thinks it makes him better, but it doesn't. STO has very well maintained that balance. Zen Store ships may be the edge that decides a close match, but a good player means a lot more.
Career Officer
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# 23
11-20-2012, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by neoakiraii View Post
You mean how TOR took on WoW yeah worked out well for them.

let's see TOR's F2P model....hmmm want to do anything gotta pay for it

want normal EXP points gotta pay for that, want to dress up your companion, gotta pay for that, want to change the color on your outfit gotta pay for that, wanna sprint gotta pay for that....etc.
you want quality stuff or content you got to pay you want mmo that have more lockboxes and Cstore stuff addid to it you get F2P mmos like sto

say what you will about lotro or wow dude but lotro model is working for it 2 xpacks since going f2p now it may have not been your cup of tea but that is you

say what you will about wow but i can tell you this in wow im not time gated on a rep system like sto i can get rep for lots of things from doing quest to killing things to truning in things to runing what you would call a STF in wow... not to say it would not take me 3 months to get it exhaulted with any one only some one that can long on 1 hour a day week so on mite take that log

sorry but quality is not free that is fact
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This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.

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Ensign
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 19
# 24
11-20-2012, 01:51 PM
Oh remember when they changed to level up? the excuess was to end the grind of leveling up nby removing the patrols and upping the reward points for the "episodes." this had two major side effects that proved totally detrimental to the game. 1 the patrol missions were a great place for meeting peeps and fleet recruiting. 2 thye level up is so fast now noobs dont have a chance to really learn how to play the game befor they max out thier toon and start the stfs ect and make life misserable for those that do!

Now with season 7 they make the end game a total grind in so many ways, Yes new content is to be commended and love it. its the reputation system and the dilithium i have a problem with. They made getting dilithium a key to getting good gear now then take away all the ways you had to get it. then come up with thier Half baked compromise putting some back in stfs. Add to that the cost for fleet projects and u spend 90% of your game time running around doing BS.

As i said befor i used to spend an easy $100 a month on zen alone. that has stopped until i see some changes. In thier effort to force me to spend more they made me mad enough to spend nothing. Im still playing as i love the game and content but Im refusing to fall for thier greed.
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# 25
11-20-2012, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by sirsitsalot View Post
But but but....

But but...

But... It works so well in china!
Yes, they can only censor postings here.
Not roll tanks on us and shoot us in the streets.
Welcome to Red Trek, Comrade!!!!
That redshirt, Totally got vaped!!!
Career Officer
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# 26
11-20-2012, 02:00 PM
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Yes, they can only censor postings here.
Not roll tanks on us and shoot us in the streets.
Welcome to Red Trek, Comrade!!!!
i couldnt help but lmfao rofl at this
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This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
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