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# 101
11-20-2012, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by devorasx View Post
WHAT?!

I have since day 1 shown my disgust for p2w. FAW as Zorena explained and all other skills mentioned which we came across, are all legitimate skills given to all. Not some payed nonesense as we have from time to time shown we can do without and still win.
Lol...Your skill is not in question here. Most of tsi are extremely talented players. That's part of the problem. You guys find something you know to be bad for the game a push it to the limits making it pretty close to impossible for other teams to compete without also running dirty builds. Lets look back at zorenas post again. You guys figured out csv was bugged and doing more damage than it should, so what did you do? Of course, put four escorts on a team to ramp it up as much as possible.

Your previous post is also in error. The game HAS evolved into a p2w model. Stopping your feet and whining about players using consoles is like complaint that your car. Keeps needing gas. Sooner you accept it, the happier you'll be. It'll make it easier for you to win also which should make you happy
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# 102
11-20-2012, 07:07 PM
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Is it payed stuff? Then i oppose, but ONLY because almost everyone else is doing payed stuff, we feel pressured to do the same to not fall behind.

Is it a skill/ability given to all like FAW, HY3 etc? Then by all means go bananas, just like how we did FAW boats, CBP+PSW, PSW chaining, VM+SNB, RSP+FBP etc etc. The list goes on.
We found out good builds in synergy as a TEAM, and made wonders. Why should we then be punished for being smart and clever with builds, when its Cryptic job to balance and develope?
But I don't see how you can oppose something solely because it was paid for, otherwise we'd all be flying free RA ships (and forgive me Dev but I'm well aware that that isn't the case). Where do you draw the line, really? Is someone in a bug or a Recluse less offensive than someone abusing a known-broken skill?

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# 103
11-20-2012, 07:18 PM
I bought an Oberth... does that make me a bad person?

Or would actually flying the Oberth make me a bad person?

Using the EPM...does that make me a bad person?

Or simply having bought the ship while not using it or the console...does that?
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# 104
11-20-2012, 07:23 PM
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But I don't see how you can oppose something solely because it was paid for, otherwise we'd all be flying free RA ships (and forgive me Dev but I'm well aware that that isn't the case). Where do you draw the line, really? Is someone in a bug or a Recluse less offensive than someone abusing a known-broken skill?
To be damn honest i have no idea where to set a line. All the P2W stuff is so firmly entrenched in this game that it will be impossible for people to give up their toys. And yes I soley oppose it because its payed for, because the payed stuff is usually BETTER then the ships we else have ingame. But its more the stuff you put on the ship which bugs me the most then the ship itself. I just wish the Devs would come out more firmly and say that all those P2W consoles can only be used on the native ship it came from. THAT would solve alot of gamebreaking problems with a ship having access to all stuff like grav pulse, grav anchor, tehta, leech, AMS on one ship alone. As for so-called broken skills, i say it again: Thats the devs job to balance and develope.

But again, who am i kidding -.-
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# 105
11-20-2012, 07:25 PM
ROFL...

So this is cheap and skill-less:

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These days all it takes is one escort with a sci captain, sub nuke the poor player, and sci team is likely spent. Then grav pulse and pew him down as he is helpless to do anything. Cheap and skilless.
But this is clever and skillful?

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...just like how we did...VM+SNB...
Seems like the same problem. you get hit with snb, burn a sci team, then get hit with something else that shuts down your ship and get pew'd to death. Because its a console power makes him not clever for using them together? He's now skill-less?
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# 106
11-20-2012, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by devorasx View Post
To be damn honest i have no idea where to set a line. All the P2W stuff is so firmly entrenched in this game that it will be impossible for people to give up their toys. And yes I soley oppose it because its payed for, because the payed stuff is usually BETTER then the ships we else have ingame. But its more the stuff you put on the ship which bugs me the most then the ship itself. I just wish the Devs would come out more firmly and say that all those P2W consoles can only be used on the native ship it came from. THAT would solve alot of gamebreaking problems with a ship having access to all stuff like grav pulse, grav anchor, tehta, leech, AMS on one ship alone. As for so-called broken skills, i say it again: Thats the devs job to balance and develope.

But again, who am i kidding -.-
The problem isn't so much the consoles, but how powerful they are. Does anyone have that big of a problem with the console that gives you a speed burst? (capacitance I think its called) Does anyone have a problem with tachyon grid? If you could put 8 tachyon grids on a ship and chain them back to back, would it bother you? (aside from the fact it lags the game). Why not? Because it's not OP?
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# 107
11-20-2012, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by grindsmygears1 View Post
ROFL...


Seems like the same problem. you get hit with snb, burn a sci team, then get hit with something else that shuts down your ship and get pew'd to death. Because its a console power makes him not clever for using them together? He's now skill-less?
Grav pulse is a PAYED console, an ADDITIONAL skill which all players DONT have access to. Given the examples presented its even more cheap to do SNB+VM+Grav pulse.
VM and SNB alone are legitimate skills given to ALL players to use, not payed for. Hence its more "skillfull" then paying to win.

How many times must i repeat myself there is a differene between skills presented fairly to all by Cryptic and the ones that you pay for. There is a SIGNIFICANT impact as the console power adds an addition to your aleady existing skillset which all wont have. That gives the payer a clear advantage, presenting a skilless act because he or she cant make due with what he or she got.
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Last edited by devorasx; 11-20-2012 at 07:42 PM.
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# 108
11-20-2012, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by grindsmygears1 View Post
The problem isn't so much the consoles, but how powerful they are. Does anyone have that big of a problem with the console that gives you a speed burst? (capacitance I think its called) Does anyone have a problem with tachyon grid? If you could put 8 tachyon grids on a ship and chain them back to back, would it bother you? (aside from the fact it lags the game). Why not? Because it's not OP?
Yes i would say so. Any ability that gives you an advantage over the other cause he or she payed for it, is a boon. Be that speed, the tachyon grid or w/e it still presents one more tool then the other team/player cant use.
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# 109
11-20-2012, 07:42 PM
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Grav pulse is a PAYED console, an ADDITIONAL skill which all players DONT have access to. Given the examples presented its even more cheap to do SNB+VM+Grav pulse.
VM and SNB alone are legitimate skills given to ALL players to use, not payed for. Hence its more "skillfull" then paying to win.

How many times must i repeat myself there is a differene between skills presented fairly to all by Cryptic and the ones that you pay for. There is a SIGNIFICANT impact as the console power adds an addition to your aleady existing skillset which all wont have. That gives the payer a clear advanatge, presting a skilless act because he or she cant make due with what he or she got.
So if the consoles is bought on the exchange with EC and not bought with cash, it's ok then?

edit: and yes, all players have access to it. You simply have to buy it.
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# 110
11-20-2012, 07:43 PM
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Yes i would say so. Any ability that gives you an advantage over the other cause he or she payed for it, is a boon. Be that speed, the tachyon grid or w/e it still presents one more tool then the other team/player cant use.
so you've never run an intrepid?
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