Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
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I think this thread existed before, but I cannot find it anymore... so I just start a new one.

Problem 1: I am working on my level 3 reputation. The demand on Omega marks und Romulan marks are still extremely low. Currently I have no motivation to play any stfs, because I still have so many marks from previous runs.

Problem 2: Cryptic has still not introduced different rewards for different stfs or created any incentives to play the more difficult stfs like "Cure elite ground", etc.

I am no enemy of the new system. But a lot of things still need to be tuned here! I don't care how they do it. But I want to go back to the time when players like playing stfs everyday and not just "infected".
Career Officer
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 246
# 2
11-23-2012, 08:49 AM
lol i agree with you till the end

That part is kinda wonky since we do care what they do, if they do something crazy off the walls the clamour for reforms, heads, and jobs will be heard on the moon.

But yeah, i used to run STFs that i thought that's all the game was. I have one of everything.... i mean everything and all i use of my omega shield from my omega and maco sets. I have all the Doff's...

but still it seems like i have to run more to gain rep... soooo messed up
Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 2,619
# 3
11-23-2012, 11:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gong1fu1panda View Post
I think this thread existed before, but I cannot find it anymore... so I just start a new one.

Problem 1: I am working on my level 3 reputation. The demand on Omega marks und Romulan marks are still extremely low. Currently I have no motivation to play any stfs, because I still have so many marks from previous runs.

Problem 2: Cryptic has still not introduced different rewards for different stfs or created any incentives to play the more difficult stfs like "Cure elite ground", etc.

I am no enemy of the new system. But a lot of things still need to be tuned here! I don't care how they do it. But I want to go back to the time when players like playing stfs everyday and not just "infected".
at this point, instead of being a hunt for items like STF'ing was in season 6, the only motivation at this point for running the harder ones, is the challenge itself.

You CAN beat ISE in a Miranda. you won't be able to do CSE, any of the ground missions, KASE or Hive Onslaught the same way...but the payout numerically is the SAME.

I'd kind of wish that the Devs would address the fact we have 1 STF that is braindead easy, even on Elite, because I LIKE the varied content and really do NOT like sitting forever and a day in the que...then again, maybe they shouldn't, because the marginal players and the grinders all flock to ISE now, result being some of the smoothest Cure Ground runs I've EVER SEEN.

so...no, wait, it's not a bug. It's a FEATURE. I've seen some real douchebags with attitudes in S6, but since everything became more or less "Play what you want, the Rewards are the same" in STF's, I haven't seen a single douchebag troll flamer-master in the STF's of my choice.

Probably because they're all playing Infected instead.


I like this.
Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 972
# 4
11-23-2012, 02:11 PM
the motivation for playing elite is its ELITE why play easy when u kick bottoms in elite mode. it only takes a few min more to complete and more loot so why pick easy!?!?!
Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 535
# 5
11-23-2012, 03:21 PM
The invisi-kill and overpowered Borg upgrades took all the fun out of STF's.

BTW the easiest way to increase the challenge (without ruining it for everyone by changing the game) is to use a lower Tier ship.
And using regular Def/Eng/Shields and not the MACO/Omega/KHG/Borg sets.
And not using the Borg-rated weapons.

Now THAT will be a challenge
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Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 891
# 6
11-23-2012, 06:08 PM
I run elites because they are a significantly better investment of time and dilithium, and because they are on a 1 hr cooldown, I naturally run more than just ISE.

Plus, they aren't hard in the first place.
Captain
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Posts: 891
# 7
11-23-2012, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by rezking View Post
The invisi-kill and overpowered Borg upgrades took all the fun out of STF's.

BTW the easiest way to increase the challenge (without ruining it for everyone by changing the game) is to use a lower Tier ship.
And using regular Def/Eng/Shields and not the MACO/Omega/KHG/Borg sets.
And not using the Borg-rated weapons.

Now THAT will be a challenge
Yeah, cause that's how it will go down

Quit begging for more brain dead easy content.
Captain
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 1,738
# 8
11-23-2012, 06:20 PM
When you start buying unlocks for items
I'n tier 5 then buying the item itself you
Will need lots of neural processors and
Omega marks

You will find motivation then I bet. Lol
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Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 2,619
# 9
11-23-2012, 07:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rezking View Post
The invisi-kill and overpowered Borg upgrades took all the fun out of STF's.

BTW the easiest way to increase the challenge (without ruining it for everyone by changing the game) is to use a lower Tier ship.
And using regular Def/Eng/Shields and not the MACO/Omega/KHG/Borg sets.
And not using the Borg-rated weapons.

Now THAT will be a challenge
It really IS a matter of perspective-invisikill, as you call it, existed before S7, and the appellation "Death Pea" also existed LONG before S7's update, as did the (largely factual) statement that five tacs in escorts could faceroll EVERY STF, even on Elite, before S7.

In fact, you had to be REALLY bad, and have a REALLY poor build to fail most of them.

now, here comes Season 7, and all of a sudden, things that used to be nearly useless (science ships, healers) suddenly are pretty damn important, because suddenly there is an STF where 5 Tacs in Escorts will GET facerolled, even fail the MISSION, instead of merely the Optional, and you're complaining.

9 out of 10 times, the "invisikill torpedoes" were NOT invisible, I've observed this in play when others get it, and when I get it. Off-angle, maybe, even off your screen, but not invisible or a cheat.

It's called "target fixation" and happens in ANY game environment-you're doing well, you forget that the AI is doing things OTHER than totting your damage, you get got because you stopped paying attention to your environment.

I actually watched, recently, a guy in a VEsta sit there as the green-death-pea drifted lazily down on him, obliviously hammering probes at range of 9 or thereabouts, I couldn't get to him in time, but he didn't take ANY evasive, didn't pop ANY buffs, he had assumed because he was at a down-angle and long range that he was SAFE.

(mostly on account of hte infamous blind spots in CSE before the update...)

He starts into how he was "Invisikilled!!!" and ******** about bugs...kind of like a lot of folks here do on the forums. It wasn't "Invisikill" it was "You weren't looking at anything but your target."

In PvP, this habit gets you killed, as Thissler has often pointed out in her videos on Youtube.

It's not that the Borg are OP, it's that you're accustomed to a much, much, less capable AI wiht some obvious, glaring, habitual weaknesses that were closed off, and you haven't adapted yet.

I run a ship with less hull than a RUNABOUT and a sheilds multiplier that is a crude joke even WITH all the consoles I can cram in, if it's not too hard for me, then the Borg are NOT Overpowered in space this season.

It's called "When the sheilds light up like that, it means you have big green death peas coming to kill you. If you see the flashing green circle, it's going to be a torpedo spread of death coming to kill you."

Last edited by patrickngo; 11-23-2012 at 07:33 PM.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 157
# 10
11-23-2012, 08:18 PM
There's a graphics issue. There has to be.

I CANNOT believe that that my fleet Vorcha will go from 60% hull to blowing up at over 15 klicks from a gateway after getting the hell out of dodge when the shields failed. A borg torpedo that I couldn't see hit and killed me.

And I know there are graphical issues because I see it with my own Quantum torpedos. I doubt its my system or connection. 3.2/8gig/5870/10meg. That should be sufficient to run this game with plenty to spare, so either there is a bug or Cryptic's servers can't hack it.

So the biggest issue with people playing elites right now is the instakills that kind of just come out of nowhere. And I'm sure alot of it is people not using skills or they got stuck with the crap UI....which does suck. But there are ways around that.

As for the OP, I still run elites. Not for the skill or anything like that. I run them because I would have to run twice as many normals to get the marks. I want the BNPs so I can get the Mk12 armor once I reach T5. I'm planning ahead. The elites reward twice as much Dilithium and marks so they are worth it.
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