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# 11
11-18-2012, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by f2pdrakron View Post
Its bankrupt because those fighters existed and so must have been based somewhere, it not difficult to make a connection to some support ship-class we never seen being their base, this is speculation true but the connection can be made.
A new support ship class is not at all required to explain the presence of fighters, though. Any ship with a reasonably sized shuttlebay could hold a few, and the Galaxy-class' main shuttlebay was so big that it could easily hold several. All this assuming you remove the shuttles first, which could be done at a starbase.

Of course by that logic every large ship should have a single hangar. But this is a situation where gameplay takes precedence over Trek accuracy. Dedicated ships makes more sense from a gameplay standpoint.
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# 12
11-18-2012, 10:33 PM
Made a post yesterday proposing rebalancing ship types (Cruisers/Sci Ships) by giving them hangars for added damage/support. Someone pointed out that Feds have no frigates to launch, so I propsed the Aquarius (or something similar) be a hangar pet, since Fed Frigates are too big to be believable hangar pets (And they are - Where is the Kitty Carrier going to stash a pair of Mirandas?).
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# 13
11-18-2012, 11:16 PM
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About that ...

Anyone remembers about the Klingon ... oh wait, they were never shown having any kind of fighters, let alone carriers.

Federation, yes (Federation Attack Fighter)
Romulan, yes (Scorpion)

Anyone else?

Sure, there are several Voyager entries on Memory Alpha, the closest the KDF gets a fighter is Enterprise's Orion Interceptor, that is 22th Century.

Feddies "stolen" from the KDF? no ... feddies got what they should always had, fighter craft because if anything the Federation Attack Fighter is cannon, the To'Duj is not, in fact the absence of KDF smallcraft can be found on the fact the Toron IS the only shuttle we seen the Klingons use.
STO is not canon. So, it doesn't matter whether the KDF 'should have had it at all'.All I know is that, since the beginning of the game, the KDF had carriers. The Federation found ways around it, and had their own strengths they could rely on. Now that you Feddies have stolen the carrier class, we get pet spam out the wazoo. You've stolen the carrier, but not once have you Kirks demanded that the KDF get a proper science vessel class, or anything else that the KDF is deficient in. On top of that, you lot keep 'suggesting' that you be given battlecloaks, cannons on cruisers, and everything else that makes playing KDF worth the effort.

It's always far too much to ask that Federation players just play a KDF toon if they want KDF exclusives. No, they've gotta steal it from the dirty, smelly 'Klinks' and have it all on Fed, instead, and they wave their wallets around to bribe Cryptic into doing it. Damn the game balance, full speed ahead!
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# 14
11-19-2012, 12:38 AM
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You sure?

Its soft cannon, also it was requested and believe it or not I rather have a soft cannon late 2370's ship that a pre-TNG era ship.

And of course if we go down that route we start to go looking at the KDF shipyards were the large majority of those ships are also very soft since they were made for this game.

I only point out you cannot go up in arms about someone "stealing" that was never yours, the fact the KDF get carriers first does not mean they should forever locked out to the KDF faction ... or are you prepared to have BoPs as your side ONLY science ships?

This is the same bankrupt argument I seen used pre-Atrox to argue against Federation having any kind of carriers, you can say we never shown anyone having a full-on carrier yet the first one was the Klingon Vo'quv (even if its called a Dreadnaught) as the Federation only have the Armitage as a carrier and its not a full-on, the Vesta hangar makes its unsuitable to operate as a carrier.

Its bankrupt because those fighters existed and so must have been based somewhere, it not difficult to make a connection to some support ship-class we never seen being their base, this is speculation true but the connection can be made.

Canon, non-canon, fine, whatever, you win that.

I can understand however that not having some things be KDF exclusive. BUT that point still can be used about so many Fed items as well. Would you be willing to let the KDF have an escort/raptor have 5 tactical consoles, for example, something they don't have? Or heck, just a fleet-level ship they can either buy from the C-store, or a Fleet ship that applies for the module discount in the first place.

You ask if I am fine to deal with BoPs being our only sci ships without carriers? Well, they nearly ARE that already. Taking away the Vo'quv and Kar'fi, we're left with the Hegh'ta and B'rel as pseudo-sci ships (at end-game), and the Varanus as the only true and complete sci ship on the KDF side. So that is a bit moot, because it doesn't really matter, the KDF is already at that point anyways.

So, 'bankrupt arguments'? Interesting choice of words, you could say the same thing about a lot of the topics in this forum, PvP area, Fed vs. KDF in general, and so on. There are plenty of those around here, not just a mere single topic about Fed carriers, that at least is something not exclusive to any side.

Besides, none of my post means spit in this thread, since we're all getting very quickly off topic into little more than a 'fed v kdf' battle. So feel free to reply to me again, not that I will be changing your mind anytime soon I bet.




SO...new hangar pets? I don't mind seeing more variety, but we just haven't seen many ideas on what to add.

I would like to add something of importance that everyone seems to have forgotten about:

New romulan rep has new hangar pets of course, but...

Tier 5 science on SBs has very rare hangar pets as well. So far as I know, nobody on either side has reached that, so if they are the same pets, or new 'Elite Fleet' level pets, I do not know, but it's something to keep in mind for the future, everyone.

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# 15 reply
11-20-2012, 08:51 AM
yes i am for new carrier pets for both factions aquarius would fit as a heavy assualt boat . but here is some other ideas a anti cloaking screen drones lets say 4 launched at time ability to detect cloaked ships weapons 1 beam weapon one torp.
2 for klingons fase fighters fighters the fade in and out of cloak weapons one dc and one harpeng torp 3 launched at a time
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# 16
11-20-2012, 09:40 AM
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yes i am for new carrier pets for both factions aquarius would fit as a heavy assualt boat . but here is some other ideas a anti cloaking screen drones lets say 4 launched at time ability to detect cloaked ships weapons 1 beam weapon one torp.
2 for klingons fase fighters fighters the fade in and out of cloak weapons one dc and one harpeng torp 3 launched at a time
Fyi, there are pets w/AoE decloaking capabilities. They've been around for awhile, people prefer to spam TBs/phasers though.

I don't like pet spam in general and in this game they're poorly balanced (siphon, ad frigs for kdf, TB/phaser spam Feds). The way the resists work, people's skills do a better job resisting Boff abilities than pets and consoles which is upside down imo.

Really what they need to do is treat pets like Boarding party and make people lose crew in a fight when their pets die and not regen the crew until the ship launching the carrier respawns.

In reality Cryptic can make $ off of pets so you'll see more of them and they won't be balanced so you can count on power creeping abilities.
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# 17
11-24-2012, 01:14 PM
How about a Borg hangar that is obtained through the Omega Fleet reputation? Romulan reputation has so many cool new things while Omega reputation just has a couple of new weapons and those adapted sets at Tier 5.
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# 18
11-24-2012, 02:30 PM
I like the idea of more variety of Hangar pets... but if they were to impliment this they should do it equally for the KDF AND the Feds....

Fed, I could see some NON cloaking pet along the same lines as the KDF Birds of Prey... again remember NON cloaking....

and the KDF could do with something that worked in a similar manner as the Danube Runabout...

as for the argument of the Feds should not have carriers I can see where the argument can be made for the feds to not have the carrier or carrier like ships in STO... but the Box has been opened and you cant exactly go back now... so we might as well get used to the pet spam and accept the fact that both sides have carriers... sure the KDF has 2 dedicated carrier while the feds have the 1 but really its not like the kdf has anything like the armatage or vesta.....
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# 19
11-24-2012, 03:39 PM
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sure the KDF has 2 dedicated carrier while the feds have the 1 but really its not like the kdf has anything like the armatage or vesta.....
Yep nothing like those.. but... to some degree..

Vesta + Armitage = Kar'fi
I'll stop kicking that horse when the bugs fixed. Until then as a paying consumer, I will voice my opinion.
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# 20
11-24-2012, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by gypsyblade View Post
Yep nothing like those.. but... to some degree..

Vesta + Armitage = Kar'fi
Kar'Fi is more OP than both of those put together. I would gladly trade my Vesta for a FED Kar'Fi equivalent (just not as ugly...).

Also, you seem to forget about the Marauder and Fleet Corsair Flight Deck Cruiser - with the latter being sci-focused and able to mount dual cannons.
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