Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 11
11-24-2012, 02:05 PM
Not just no but frak no. PWE is a corporation. If they don't want to invest in their service, then it's not my problem.

It's also abuse of the Kickstarter system, which was made for indie and solo artists and content makers, not corporations.

PWE is already doing a fabulous job of squeeezing blood from a stone with this grindy game (thanks to S7).
Career Officer
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# 12
11-24-2012, 02:36 PM
A) I don't see why not, but even with a guaranteed consolation prize ala Leviathan99's suggesting in another thread plus getting my zen back in full, I'd be hard pressed to actually pledge anything. I prefer to give my money for something I can use quickly than in the hopes something comes of it in the future (which incidentally is why I'm not great with money, but that's neither here nor there).

B) In rough order of desire: Romulan faction; KDF completion; new adventure zones such as a pair of mini-adventure zones on Risa and Rura Penthe, a Ferenginar adventure zone, or a Deferi adventure zone.

C) I could drop $50 if you could convince me that a Rom or finished KDF faction would be very likely to happen. $25 for adventure zones, too, same deal.

D) First instinct? Dilithium booster/refiner granting a flat 20% extra gains of Dil up to 10000 and allowing an extra 500 a day to be refined with charges in increments of 5 that will be given based on how much you donated. For example, if you pledged $1-$5, you get a 5-charge, $6-$10 gets a 10-charge, all the way up to a 100-charge refiner.

Second instinct, outfits. Canon stuff that wouldn't normally be done for C-Store, like all those nice TOS ladies' outfits, some one-off men's outfits like that skin-tight jumpsuit thingy from Schizoid Man, and possibly some smaller things like belts and combadges and maybe a collar/necklace thing for smaller donations.
Captain
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# 13
11-24-2012, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by atomictiki View Post
It's also abuse of the Kickstarter system, which was made for indie and solo artists and content makers, not corporations.
Says who? I think it's looking quite obvious now that the kind of model eschewed by Kickstarter is the future of a the provision of a lot of types of entertainment.

Why are people so up in arms at the prospect of a more efficient method of getting the changes we want in the game? Everyone benefits - those who do fund get the developments they want. Those who don't fund get to free-ride off those who do.


Quote:
A. Be in support of such a system. (assume it would have incentives and rewards much like Kickstarter)
B. What would you want to be in the list?
C. How much would you spend?
D. What would you want the incentives to be? What would make you spend money on this?
A: Yes
B: Romulan faction, "Genesis Engine 2.0"
C: Depends. I could see myself pledging ?20 for a Romulan faction, perhaps ?15 for "Genesis 2.0".
D: Depends on development. A Romulan Faction I'd expect to get two character slots and a bunch of Dilithium. For Genesis 2.0? Maybe just Dilithium and some DOFFs.

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# 14
11-24-2012, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by centersolace View Post
What if STO had a Kickstarter like pledge system where you could "Pledge" money to various things the Devs were putting in the game, and which ever one got filled up first, got prioritized?

Would you:

A. Be in support of such a system. (assume it would have incentives and rewards much like Kickstarter)

B. What would you want to be in the list?


C. How much would you spend?


D. What would you want the incentives to be? What would make you spend money on this?
A. Yes.

B. Anything that isn't purely mechanical/service related. Things like respecs/renames/fleet modules/etc. wouldn't make sense. However... I think it should be the ONLY release system for costumes, ships, etc. because it ties dev time to community feedback in a tangible way BEFORE significant time is wasted.

C. It depends on the perks and the system used.

D. See above.

There are two ways to go with this, as far as I can see.

#1) This would treat ships/costumes/etc. as the things you're pledging for. In which case, I'd probably want Lobi, titles, design patches for the shoulder and fleet logo area of ships. This is not too different than what we have.

#2) This is a bigger departure for a PWE game and would involve reassigning a lot of the control that currently resides with the systems team and bean counters to the players. Content and systems are what we pledge for. The ships/costumes/etc. ARE the perks. In this scenario, New Romulus gets pledged for. If it achieves funding, everyone gets it for free. The people who pledged get ships/costumes/etc. as perks. It flies in the face of some of PWE's standard thinking. Devs may pitch systems or zones but they would not dictate which ones get made, nor would they need to. If Geko wants to make a broadsiding phase cloak ship, he has to sell the community on it and is in competition with other dev pitches.
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# 15
11-24-2012, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by sirsitsalot View Post
No, I would not be in support of such a system. I believe that Cryptic is generating enough revenue in Zen sales and subscriptions to be operating in the black, and at this stage of the game, that is all that matters. The developers themselves receive NOTHING beyond the sallary that their contract with PWE covers, so even if a pledge system existed, it would be the PWE executives who get the money. And the developers work for PWE because Cryptic is OWNED by them.



Nothing. Because it won't happen.



Not a dime.



Not a thing.
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# 16
11-24-2012, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by sirsitsalot View Post
No, I would not be in support of such a system. I believe that Cryptic is generating enough revenue in Zen sales and subscriptions to be operating in the black, and at this stage of the game, that is all that matters. The developers themselves receive NOTHING beyond the sallary that their contract with PWE covers, so even if a pledge system existed, it would be the PWE executives who get the money. And the developers work for PWE because Cryptic is OWNED by them.



Nothing. Because it won't happen.



Not a dime.



Not a thing.
Agreed

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soooooo this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Agreed with the agreeing
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# 17
11-24-2012, 09:04 PM
PWE/Cryptic have a loooooong way to go before I volunteer 1 more penny to their cause. Until they surgically remove their heads from their ****'s and get some decent coders to fix the broken crap and some writers for fraks sake to make some real content, i'm flat out refusing to give them anything.

My wallet is closed and from the looks of things, will be for a quite a while.
Captain
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# 18
11-25-2012, 03:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by centersolace View Post
What if STO had a Kickstarter like pledge system where you could "Pledge" money to various things the Devs were putting in the game, and which ever one got filled up first, got prioritized?

Would you:

A. Be in support of such a system. (assume it would have incentives and rewards much like Kickstarter)

B. What would you want to be in the list?


C. How much would you spend?


D. What would you want the incentives to be? What would make you spend money on this?
A: Yes but in a different way, please see "C"

B: KDF content, PvP Content, PvP Rewards (hint, PvP sets>PvE sets), Exploration Content, Exploration Rewards, Greater Character Customisation(clothes that adjust stats, example additional weapon slot) Bug Fixing, Ban Devs from posting promises unless a disclaimer is posted on their posts "Warning, this post may contain Fictitious Content"

C: They pay me a monthly stipend until all this has been completed

D: Incentive? By paying me a monthly stipend it should be a constant reminder to bang their heads together and get working instead of coming up with excuses that make no sense or constantly contradict what they keep saying.
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# 19
11-25-2012, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by stoleviathan99 View Post
B. Anything that isn't purely mechanical/service related. Things like respecs/renames/fleet modules/etc. wouldn't make sense. However... I think it should be the ONLY release system for costumes, ships, etc. because it ties dev time to community feedback in a tangible way BEFORE significant time is wasted.
Agreed. Fluff would be the way to go.

Quote:
Originally Posted by stoleviathan99 View Post
#1) This would treat ships/costumes/etc. as the things you're pledging for. In which case, I'd probably want Lobi, titles, design patches for the shoulder and fleet logo area of ships. This is not too different than what we have.

#2) This is a bigger departure for a PWE game and would involve reassigning a lot of the control that currently resides with the systems team and bean counters to the players. Content and systems are what we pledge for. The ships/costumes/etc. ARE the perks. In this scenario, New Romulus gets pledged for. If it achieves funding, everyone gets it for free. The people who pledged get ships/costumes/etc. as perks. It flies in the face of some of PWE's standard thinking. Devs may pitch systems or zones but they would not dictate which ones get made, nor would they need to. If Geko wants to make a broadsiding phase cloak ship, he has to sell the community on it and is in competition with other dev pitches.
It would be a huge departure for MMO's (and video games) in general. Sure, there's what Double Fine did with Kickstarter, but this has never been done before. It would be a huge risk, but the possibilities for both the company and the players is limitless.

And they wouldn't be giving up their dictatorial abilities completely. They would still be deciding what gets voted on.
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# 20
11-25-2012, 04:16 PM
i would give them 50 EUR to start working on the Romulan faction.

(would give them even more if i knew it will really happen)

considering the whole WOW is for sale for less..

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