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# 11
11-26-2012, 06:25 PM
I like the stats
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# 12
11-26-2012, 06:28 PM
It's another slap in the face to the KDF - it should be availible at T3 shipyard - just like the Fleet defiant retrofit is.

I bet no more than 5 KDF fleets make it to T5 in the next 6 months
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# 13
11-26-2012, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by born2bwild1 View Post
It's another slap in the face to the KDF - it should be availible at T3 shipyard - just like the Fleet defiant retrofit is.

I bet no more than 5 KDF fleets make it to T5 in the next 6 months
I'd suspect the Devs may be hoping just that very thing, on the bright side:

we finally get a Fleet vessel with a discount...if yer patient enough and can get your fleet SB to advance in this era of Epohhs and Poke'critters and menial tasks for Romulans.
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# 14
11-26-2012, 07:15 PM
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I'd suspect the Devs may be hoping just that very thing, on the bright side:

we finally get a Fleet vessel with a discount...if yer patient enough and can get your fleet SB to advance in this era of Epohhs and Poke'critters and menial tasks for Romulans.
Yeah, we get a discount. . .that's a discount in name only. You had to buy the friggin B'Rel retrofit anyways, which is 2k zen at regular prices. Only way you're saving zen is if you bought the ship on sale. TBH, the same goes for the Federation discounted ships too, it's all a farce.

As it is, all this ship seems to gain is a few k hitpoints, an engineering console, and a shield mod improvement. Big whoop. You might as well save yourself the 500 zen/4-5 million EC and stick with the B'Rel retrofit.
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# 15
11-26-2012, 07:24 PM
Damnit Cryptic we don't need another fleet BoP, especially the gimmicky B'rel. We have a couple huge holes and this isn't one of them. Especially a BoP with 4 Eng console, seriously what the hell is a BoP going to do with an Eng console? Take 5 seconds to blow up instead of 4.5? Why would you take a ship that's centered around tac and sci with a paper thin hull and put an extra eng console on it...

You wanna know why no one buys Klingon ships, its because you suck at giving us ships worth buying.

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# 16
11-26-2012, 07:34 PM
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Damnit Cryptic we don't need another fleet BoP. We have a couple huge holes and this isn't one of them. Especially a BoP with 4 Eng console, seriously what the hell is a BoP going to do with an Eng console? Take 5 seconds to blow up instead of 4.5? Why would you take a ship that's centered around tac and sci with a paper thin hull and put an extra eng console on it...

You wanna know why no one buys Klingon ships, it because you suck at giving us ships worth buying.
No Doubt... if it had some higher function to use or possibly if it came with some console that assisted in its function as a projectile boat... then it might be worth it but 2400 hull and marginal shield increase and a whopping engineering console its not worth a pot to pee in.

The real reason other than those mentioned of why they can't make money on the KDF is that they try to see how crappy of a ship the KDF will buy and that they can get the least amount of fed only players to not say its so OP PLEASE NERF IT!!!

So yeah if they went toward giving it what it deserves and making it reasonable which the KDF players are reasonable its just that when you give unreasonable reasons such as ships like this for a KDF player to buy it just looks like there is no market for it. Is kind of like if I went to a junkyard and took a pinto and slapped a new coat of paint on it and then tried to sell it to you for a million dollars... I am pretty sure you will not buy it because its still junk... just prettier junk than it used to be
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# 17
11-26-2012, 07:34 PM
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Damnit Cryptic we don't need another fleet BoP, especially the gimmicky B'rel. We have a couple huge holes and this isn't one of them. Especially a BoP with 4 Eng console, seriously what the hell is a BoP going to do with an Eng console? Take 5 seconds to blow up instead of 4.5? Why would you take a ship that's centered around tac and sci with a paper thin hull and put an extra eng console on it...

You wanna know why no one buys Klingon ships, its because you suck at giving us ships worth buying.
For some folks with your views, they already MAKE the Bortasque.
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# 18
11-26-2012, 07:40 PM
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For some folks with your views, they already MAKE the Bortasque.

I don't even understand what your trying to say. That I like the Bortasque? We need better fleet escorts and sci ships, including a fleet version of the Kar'fi. Battlecruisers and BoPs need not apply, especially when you're going to design them like a nimrod.

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# 19
11-26-2012, 07:55 PM
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I don't even understand what your trying to say. That I like the Bortasque? We need better fleet escorts and sci ships, including a fleet version of the Kar'fi. Battlecruisers and BoPs need not apply, especially when you're going to design them like a nimrod.

based on how they handle, raptors are skinny cruisers, the Pegh'u (however you spell it) is pretty much a Raptor with BC and Uni consoles, and there's the Tor'khat which is widely regarded as being the best Escort in the game...and it's a cruiser.

we're actually ears-deep in "Escorts" of questionable value, too- the Qin which turns like a cruiser on consoles, Somraw..(Hey, both have fleet versions), not to mention Mirror Qin, and the FTP ships, and of course all them light cruisers Like the Koro-tinga.

admittedly, I would've been happier if they updated the Ki'Tang instead of yet-another-retread-of-the-B'rel, and the stats aren't going to see my rushing from my Hegh'ta or Fleet Norgh to buy this (even assuming I was still in a fleet that was close to T5 on their SY.)

But there are some interesting possibilities off of 4 engineering consoles on a ship that already has a good turn rate. I'd suggest asking Thissler to check it out for building advice...and quit whining, you already KNEW they'd never give you a FLeet Defiant/Bugship Killer, with zero development staff playing KDF at any time.

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# 20
11-26-2012, 08:13 PM
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I like the stats
I dont.

The B'rel is given no choice but to fire under cloak, having a 4th Eng console is pointless (unless its were you dumping a universal console there) since in no way its of any actual use due to its low armor, it would be preferable to have a 4th Tactical console or even a 4th Science console.

On and it requires a T5 shipyard ... well I guess that is good news because almost nobody will have a chance to try out the KDF version of the Fleet Aquarius.
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