Rihannsu
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# 21
11-28-2012, 02:27 PM
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There's no such thing as universes in licensing terms. It's by work.
Heh, no.

Licensing covers a whole spectrum of things and since CBS and Paramount were once the same company the whole thing is "fuzzy" since when they separated things were split.

Considering Paramount did a "re-boot" of Star Trek they likely allowed CBS to retain the IP rights to previous series and movies but I doubt that extended to publishing rights and this is were things are get messy to who gets DVD and broadcasting rights.

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Now, CBS probably has increased negotiating ability for Kelvin uniforms.
CBS does not own the 2009 movie because it was after it separated from Paramount, all rights of Star Trek (2009) belong to Paramount.

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I see that the Voyager uniforms are missing.
Voyager used first season DS9 uniforms but the First DS9/VOY and the TNG Movies/Late DS9 uniforms are exactly the same except it swapped the colors on the shoulders and turtleneck and some minor changes.

This begs the question if you are going to add ALL variants of the same uniform, even the WoK uniform was used 3 times with alterations.
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# 22
11-28-2012, 02:32 PM
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I think that eventually all SB's will need an intervention from one of those hoarding shows. We'll have to clear a footpath from the transporter pad to the ship vendor every time we beam in because every square inch will be covered with art, dog pets, mannequins, blob pets, flying pets, ship models, dance floors, funiture, knick-knacks, chochskis, orion girls, memorabilia, trophies, large hypo stacks, statues, self-sealing stem bolts, gold pressed latinum piles, tribbles...
And the tribbles will slowly crowd everything else out, until your starbase becomes one giant tribble breeding colony....or merely a giant tribble.
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# 23
11-28-2012, 02:37 PM
Not sure if Blog is Troll-post or not...
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# 24
11-28-2012, 02:49 PM
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Heh, no.

Licensing covers a whole spectrum of things and since CBS and Paramount were once the same company the whole thing is "fuzzy" since when they separated things were split.

Considering Paramount did a "re-boot" of Star Trek they likely allowed CBS to retain the IP rights to previous series and movies but I doubt that extended to publishing rights and this is were things are get messy to who gets DVD and broadcasting rights.



CBS does not own the 2009 movie because it was after it separated from Paramount, all rights of Star Trek (2009) belong to Paramount.



Voyager used first season DS9 uniforms but the First DS9/VOY and the TNG Movies/Late DS9 uniforms are exactly the same except it swapped the colors on the shoulders and turtleneck and some minor changes.

This begs the question if you are going to add ALL variants of the same uniform, even the WoK uniform was used 3 times with alterations.
This is my point and exactly what I just said. In licensing terms, universes and characters aren't really owned by anybody. They are elements of discreet copyrighted works.

Now, you could have a handshake deal or exchange of cash for the Kelvin uniform designs, which would be a trademark or an element of the copyright for the 2009 film. And I think that could be negotiated because of how the companies might divy up the universes.

It's just that characters and universes are not legal entities, which is what I think we're both saying. You have designs, which are trademarks, and films/books which are covered by copyright. CBS would certainly have an in-universe argument for licensing or buying the Kelvin uniforms from Paramount but they don't own anything from the film.

Things we have in the game like the destruction of Hobus and mentions of Nero had to be negotiated through Paramount at some stage, because Paramount basically owns those events.

This is something that I find confuses a lot of fans. The events in the books are not owned by CBS directly either and so it may sometimes be in their interests to contradict the books.

I think fans tend to grasp that books aren't canon but have a harder time with the idea that printed resources aren't part of the property.

For instance, nobody should really be using Klingon words that weren't used onscreen or referencing anything from Klingon culture that comes from books, manuals, or resources. Not for canon reasons but for legal reasons. Without negotiating with Pocket anyway.

The problem this creates with Klingon and Romulan fans is that the majority of what defines the factions for them is not only "soft-canon" but is stuff which may have to be tossed entirely at some point for legal reasons. Try imagining going through the KDF as a writer and having to gut or intentionally contradict anything that doesn't come from a filmed episode. That is something that CBS has to be ready for as long as someone else, even a sister company, is the one publishing the books.
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# 25
11-28-2012, 02:57 PM
And when I say increased negotiating ability, I mean that Paramount owns everything in the 2009 movie but CBS could say, effectively, that use of the Kelvin uniforms before the timeline split makes them something that is part of the implied backstory for the works that they own and then take that as a reason they'd be asking for Paramount to license or sell them that design.

And then Paramount's reps (which I believe are actually Abrams, Orci, and Kurtzman) might say to CBS Consumer Products' rep, "Technically, yes. The uniform from the moment the timeline split should be under both licenses and it doesn't step on our toes because that scene was set in the world of the works you own. Let's work out a business deal that grants you access."

And in the event of a real rift, the CBS person could say, "If you don't license it to us, we're going to say George Kirk never served aboard the Kelvin and give him a different uniform in our works."

And while Paramount licensing might ordinarily not care, because Orci and Kurtzman ARE designated with licensing approval powers and certain veto rights, they'd probably push for a deal to have congruity across works rather than have competing Star Trek brands that intentionally contradict one another.
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# 26
11-28-2012, 03:16 PM
Just for clarity...

Link: CBS Television Studios

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CBS Television Studios (CTS) (formerly CBS Paramount Television, Desilu Productions, Paramount Television, among other companies) is an American television production/distribution company that was formed on January 17, 2006 by the CBS Corporation merging Paramount Television and CBS Productions. It is the television production arm of the CBS network (CBS Productions previously assumed such functions), and, alongside Warner Bros. Television, it is also the television production arm of The CW Television Network (in which CBS has a 50% ownership stake).
Link: Paramount Television

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Paramount Television was an American television production/distribution company that was active from January 1, 1968 through August 27, 2006. Most of this time was as the television arm of the Paramount Pictures film studio. Its predecessor is Desilu Productions. Its successor is CBS Television Studios, formerly CBS Paramount Television.
Paramount Television technically no longer exists as an independent company.

Link: See the copyright at the bottom of Star Trek Online's Homepage

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? & ? 2012 CBS Studios Inc. All rights reserved. STAR TREK and related marks are trademarks of CBS Studios Inc.
When it comes to Paramount Pictures, they deal with "Star Trek's" movie division.

"Star Trek's" television division = CBS Studios.
"Star Trek's" movie division = Paramount Pictures.

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# 27
11-28-2012, 03:20 PM
You guys keep saving me tons of dilithium on my fed side SB because the Fed projects are consistently unappealing and uninspired, while the KDF side are consistently fantastic.


Would it be too much to ask the artists doing this to try and make the Fed side stuff at least a little impressive looking?

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# 28
11-28-2012, 03:41 PM
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Would it be too much to ask the artists doing this to try and make the Fed side stuff at least a little impressive looking?
lol I think they're doing it on purpose with the bases so the KDF could at least have something to brag about
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# 29
11-28-2012, 04:12 PM
I just last week single handedly finished the project that removes the blast shields from the windows of the starbase, and the one I had queued after that has started automatically (the one that gives you the conference table). These are about the only two featured projects I've been remotely interested in, and since I have to single handedly cough up 200,000 Dilithium for each, I think the conference room will be the last such addition, at least until Cryptic finally brings in some kind of scaling requirements based on how many members a fleet has. Doing the workload of 25 people is a real stretch. XD

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# 30
11-28-2012, 04:31 PM
I'd pay 20ok dil for an extra thunderd1ck phaser cannon! Something functional ffs!!!
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