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# 11
11-29-2012, 11:16 AM
We really only have one choice.
Continue to express our desires and wait to see if they happen or leave and let them put the final shovel of dirt on the KDF while they claim its our fault.

Frankly, I say fight till the end.
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# 12
11-29-2012, 11:18 AM
I?d truly love to see the war between the KDF and Federation come to an end; however, it would need to be done though story content that is tailored to both Factions and portrays both Factions reasons for ending the war.

Though the story that we?ve been given so far it seems very clear that the KDF was 100% correct about the Undine infiltrating the Alpha Quadrant; however, I believe that it was in fact the Undine themselves that fed the KDF the information about where to find their planted spy?s.

I could see the Undine sacrificing a few of their people to make the Federation look like cowards that failed to honor their alliance with the KDF (which they are) and giving the KDF all the justification in the galaxy to feel that they were disrespected by their blind peace loving allies, hence the war we now fight.

It was also revealed about 2 years ago that the Undine were being manipulated by the Iconians into infiltrating the Alpha Quadrant and both factions know this has fact and still the war continues.

The KDF faction needs new story driven content that shows how they choose to deal with the fact that the Iconians have been pulling the strings of the Empire the Federation and the Undine.

There?s plenty of story that Cryptic could build KDF only content around and plugin to the KDF leveling track so that we can role a KDF Warrior from level 1- max without any leveling gaps.

Put in the KDF tutorial and create 5-10 early missions that deal with the KDF hunting Undine.

They could later add some KDF missions that deal with a potential KDF civil war over the current state of the KDF/Federation war and then a resolution mission arc that either leads to the end of the war or give us all a reason to continue fighting it.

The problem is that Cryptic has shown time after time that the KDF and for the most part the progression of established STO story lines are not something that they are willing to invest resources into.
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# 13 hmmm
11-29-2012, 11:20 AM
Copy and pasted from the fed side

BoP's - i just bought a bop to try one out they are nothing like the feds have. They are a true glass cannon mad dps but without miracle worker and other neat engineering tricks are sphere one shot meal... all the fed ships are not as soft and will never be able to turn/fly like one

Battlecuisers - owning a neghvar and mirror BC, galaxy-r, galaxy - x, regent and odyssey, they are in no way the same fed cruisers couldn't even turn as-well or do as much dps even in a wet wet feddy dream again nothing like the fed side

Carriers - The atrox is a joke i spent 2500 zen on it before i joined the red side and when i flew the voquv and the karfi realized that i had been ripped off big style they are nothing alike


and please don't talk about fed/klink bonding that shiz would just be wrong
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# 14
11-29-2012, 11:57 AM
My whole point was that instead of pushing out copy/paste content to have us wait a few weeks after the feds get theirs for us to get the same mission from a different point of view.

The Klingons and Federation are two completely different organisations but from how Cryptic have portrayed them they both think and act exactly the same, thus making the whole war situation a bit... pants.

I understand that they have time constraints and even financial constraints and that is why we get these copy/paste situations but honestly it would be far more rewarding for the community and Cryptic if they just delayed KDF content for the month/season after its Federation release so that it can get a true KDF feel to it.

It would also bolster the numbers of KDF players as Feds would be curious to what the missions were like and thus boost sales for KDF content in the store.

My biggest issue with STO has always been the way the whole setting does not make sense because both factions are identical in what content they share other than simple aesthetics.
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# 15
11-29-2012, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by mustafatennick View Post
Copy and pasted from the fed side

BoP's - i just bought a bop to try one out they are nothing like the feds have. They are a true glass cannon mad dps but without miracle worker and other neat engineering tricks are sphere one shot meal... all the fed ships are not as soft and will never be able to turn/fly like one

Battlecuisers - owning a neghvar and mirror BC, galaxy-r, galaxy - x, regent and odyssey, they are in no way the same fed cruisers couldn't even turn as-well or do as much dps even in a wet wet feddy dream again nothing like the fed side

Carriers - The atrox is a joke i spent 2500 zen on it before i joined the red side and when i flew the voquv and the karfi realized that i had been ripped off big style they are nothing alike


and please don't talk about fed/klink bonding that shiz would just be wrong
If that is meant to be an argument on the factions being different it is pretty poor.

Sure we may have differently handling ships but does that equate to anything substantial within the game?

While a BoP may have the edge in one circumstance an Escort will have it in another. Its all situational.

Also noone plays the game to buy a ship just to fly it around. The ship is just a means to an end. Its like comparing Targs to Hortas. Essentially its meaningless in the grand scheme of the game.
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# 16
11-29-2012, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by bitemepwe View Post
We really only have one choice.
Continue to express our desires and wait to see if they happen or leave and let them put the final shovel of dirt on the KDF while they claim its our fault.

Frankly, I say fight till the end.
I have often found it amusing and somewhat insulting/disgraceful that whenever people ask the devs about KDF content (which is every bloody question time!) it somehow ends up being the playerbase fault.

If there truely are so few people playing KDF like the Devs have said then why does the same question crop up every time?

Out of all the content specific questions asked the KDF related stuff is more common.

That kinda confuses me if the KDF are really that small community that isn't worth catering for like we are lead to believe.
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# 17
11-29-2012, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by lordmalak1 View Post
NO !
No peace in our time.

A war without end is all I've ever known between humans and Klingons. I will never accept a combined faction, and I will wait for the real KDF content before accepting the reskinned fed content that could come much sooner.

"To the last, I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee."
A combined faction, definitely not. But I wouldn't mind too much if the war storyline itself ended.

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Originally Posted by bitemepwe View Post
We really only have one choice.
Continue to express our desires and wait to see if they happen or leave and let them put the final shovel of dirt on the KDF while they claim its our fault.

Frankly, I say fight till the end.
Indeed, it is the only honorable thing to do!
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# 18
11-29-2012, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by psycoticvulcan View Post
I think the best way for the war to end would be to have the Iconians launch a massive invasion of the Galaxy, something on the scale of the Destiny novels' "Borg Invasion of 2381". Some massive, immediate threat that forces the factions to come together to save themselves.
You really don't need to add anything massive to the overall storyline, Like I said before, everything you need is already there, you just need to end it in a satisfactory way. The Feds know the Empire was right, The just need to admit it and make proper restitution for insulting the Empires honor and we can all go back to being friends.


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Originally Posted by lordmalak1 View Post
NO !
No peace in our time.

A war without end is all I've ever known between humans and Klingons. I will never accept a combined faction, and I will wait for the real KDF content before accepting the reskinned fed content that could come much sooner.

"To the last, I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee."
No one here is saying they would except a combined faction. In fact I will flat out state that I am 100% against combining the two. The Klingons are a unique culture and must remain unique. But that doesn't mean we have to go around killing each other, we got along separately before, we can do it again.


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Originally Posted by errab View Post
I?d truly love to see the war between the KDF and Federation come to an end; however, it would need to be done though story content that is tailored to both Factions and portrays both Factions reasons for ending the war.

Though the story that we?ve been given so far it seems very clear that the KDF was 100% correct about the Undine infiltrating the Alpha Quadrant; however, I believe that it was in fact the Undine themselves that fed the KDF the information about where to find their planted spy?s.

I could see the Undine sacrificing a few of their people to make the Federation look like cowards that failed to honor their alliance with the KDF (which they are) and giving the KDF all the justification in the galaxy to feel that they were disrespected by their blind peace loving allies, hence the war we now fight.

It was also revealed about 2 years ago that the Undine were being manipulated by the Iconians into infiltrating the Alpha Quadrant and both factions know this has fact and still the war continues.

The KDF faction needs new story driven content that shows how they choose to deal with the fact that the Iconians have been pulling the strings of the Empire the Federation and the Undine.
The Undine that revealed the Infiltration only did it under torture. It was not a willing reveal. Even then it was the Federations condemnation of the Klingon's actions and the refusal to see the problem before them that set the two sides against each other.
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# 19
11-29-2012, 01:48 PM
I actually think a combined faction is pretty realistic.

Why?

Because Cryptic acknowledge they have a very poor PvP system that noone partakes in (I blame the messy queue system mainly) and they have openly said they are unsure as to whether they will actually try and implement something half decent or just abandon it.

With no PvP you have no representation of any conflict whatsoever. How can you be at war with someone without actively combating them?


Best thing they can do for STO is to continue doing what they are with the Feds, release KDF content from a KDF stand-point (doesn't need to be as much as Feds tbh, just true KDF content), potentially release a third and final faction (any more than 3 is ridiculous, also id probably imagine a 'neutral' faction would be better. Then again Romulans can still be the piggy-in-the-middle I guess) and then add a 'tug-of-war' type contested pvp area (neutral zone) where factions fight over something other than just 'for the sake of it' (id probably suggest some sort of resources to enable the faction to buy awesome gear/consumables).

Its easier said than done I know but it is what needs to be done.

Heck if I could id work on STO myself but frankly I lack the skills and ofc don't work for Cryptic... Im always open to offers though if you need a new janitor
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# 20
11-29-2012, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by dwadsdwad View Post
I actually think a combined faction is pretty realistic.

Why?

Because Cryptic acknowledge they have a very poor PvP system that noone partakes in (I blame the messy queue system mainly) and they have openly said they are unsure as to whether they will actually try and implement something half decent or just abandon it.

With no PvP you have no representation of any conflict whatsoever. How can you be at war with someone without actively combating them?


Best thing they can do for STO is to continue doing what they are with the Feds, release KDF content from a KDF stand-point (doesn't need to be as much as Feds tbh, just true KDF content), potentially release a third and final faction (any more than 3 is ridiculous, also id probably imagine a 'neutral' faction would be better. Then again Romulans can still be the piggy-in-the-middle I guess) and then add a 'tug-of-war' type contested pvp area (neutral zone) where factions fight over something other than just 'for the sake of it' (id probably suggest some sort of resources to enable the faction to buy awesome gear/consumables).

Its easier said than done I know but it is what needs to be done.

Heck if I could id work on STO myself but frankly I lack the skills and ofc don't work for Cryptic... Im always open to offers though if you need a new janitor
So combining the factions will force me to play a klingon looking toon without any identity whatsoever, and pvp against my own kind.

Feds will still get more ships, and the grind will have a faction neutral face on it. The game will be more boring than it is now. OOOOOhh, I know- more missions with AI foes (that are already stupid beyond belief).

Ya, great idea there.
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