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# 51
11-29-2012, 02:42 PM
In the scene where Kirk takes the car, the kid he speeds passed was originally written as his older brother (Why his name got re-dubbed, I have no idea...)

Sybok could still be milling about, if he was not killed by the destruction of Vulcan...
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# 52
11-29-2012, 02:51 PM
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In our time, Gary was a 1st year cadet at the Academy, while Kirk(Jim) was a Lt. JG. Student Instructor. Mccoy's scan state that gary was 23 years old when "Where No Man Has Gone Before" took place, That gives him a bd of 2242. Jim was born in 2233. Jim was 9 years older than Gary.
But now Kirk is in the same class as Chekov (thus he is 20 years younger) this makes him 11 years YOUNGER than gary

And his father died before anything else happened

Why can't Gary exist?

because none of them do now


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In 2269, Garth had already been on Elba II for a number of years. This is well after his feats at the Battle of Axanar. After his tenure at the Academy AND his recuperation on Antos IV.

Jim was 36 when he encountered Garth on Elba II. Since Garths exploits were required learning at the Academy when Kirk was a student, makes Garth at least 30 years older than Kirk. 20 years to join fleet, then 10 years to make a name for himself.
if he had existed which he no longer does

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Why can't he exist?

Neither one would have been really affected by George's premature death.
thats only part of it
Kirk is now 20 years younger than he should be

also there is no Vulcan
its complex but the cosmos is unmade and remade
no one from the real trek is unchanged
even uhura has gone from strong independant smart woman to "spocks bit of fluff"
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# 53
11-29-2012, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by collegepark2151 View Post
I've been wondering if the "whole fleet has been detonated" thing is really just a metaphor. Maybe there's a civil war or coup? The fleet cohesion was what was actually destroyed. The physical ships still exist.
Hmmm... After the Narada did it's thing, wasn't the fleet a lot smaller than before/"usual"? And doesn't JJ-Fleet have an (IMO unhealthy) obsession with ground-side drydocks for ship construction, you know, scenic places like Siberia, Brazil, Iowa...

Wave 1 ships completing final trials, wave 2 ships awaiting trials, and wave 3 ships being confirmed spaceworthy. Suddenly "the fleet" is in orbit awaiting the tricobalt test...
50: S'Leth/Eurthyr/S. Dareau/Ardrian/Krudge/Annlova Not: Jadja
Still at it. CBS "restrictions" fell by wayside with freebie Breen. Time to re-examine ENT and ToS at tier 5, repurpose the Connie into Sci and rebuild an Akira escort into the "NX". 6 "eras", spread evenly over all the classes...
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# 54
11-29-2012, 05:20 PM
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...After the Narada did it's thing, wasn't the fleet a lot smaller than before/"usual"?...
Since the bulk of the fleet was in the Laurentian System playing cards or something while the Narada was blowing up Vulcan, most likely the "bulk" (could mean anything from 51% to 99.99%) of the fleet is intact. I would imagine that since the ships that were sent to Vulcan were staffed with cadets due to lack of regular Starfleet personnel, they were (aside from the Enterprise) probably laid up for refitting or part of the reserve fleet or something. I doubt the strength of the fleet was significantly affected by the Narada. Though, it was so vague as to actual numbers, that I suppose anything is possible.

I still have a problem with one event taking out the whole fleet. That's like the entire US Navy berthing in San Diego and a terrorist nuke going off or something. That's foolish to concentrate your forces like that in your home port unless there's an invasion imminent. Though, this is JJ Trek and trying to make sense of things may be a lost cause.

Or maybe... THE LENS FLARE MACHINES ON ALL THE SHIPS FAILED CATASTROPHICALLY AT THE SAME TIME!!!!

Porthos is not amused.
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# 55
11-29-2012, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by avantgarde01 View Post
Definitely sounds like the Eugenics Wars. Guess we'll see.
Except the Eugenics wars already happened. Everything right up until What's his face and the super mining ship from hell show up in the "past" is spot on canon.
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# 56
11-29-2012, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by collegepark2151 View Post
Since the bulk of the fleet was in the Laurentian System playing cards or something while the Narada was blowing up Vulcan, most likely the "bulk" (could mean anything from 51% to 99.99%) of the fleet is intact. I would imagine that since the ships that were sent to Vulcan were staffed with cadets due to lack of regular Starfleet personnel, they were (aside from the Enterprise) probably laid up for refitting or part of the reserve fleet or something. I doubt the strength of the fleet was significantly affected by the Narada. Though, it was so vague as to actual numbers, that I suppose anything is possible.

I still have a problem with one event taking out the whole fleet. That's like the entire US Navy berthing in San Diego and a terrorist nuke going off or something. That's foolish to concentrate your forces like that in your home port unless there's an invasion imminent. Though, this is JJ Trek and trying to make sense of things may be a lost cause.

Or maybe... THE LENS FLARE MACHINES ON ALL THE SHIPS FAILED CATASTROPHICALLY AT THE SAME TIME!!!!
Apparently the background material for JJtrek has it that the Federation is comprised of around 700 colonies. I image that maybe 5% are heavily populated, so it's not as vast as you might think, but still.... JJtrek is running with the idea of the Federation having vast manpower and enormous resources at it's disposal. Nero destroyed so many ships because he had a technological edge. I suppose there are some things that the Federation carefully manages their supply of, such as Dilithium, but they have large supplies of many other resources.
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# 57
11-29-2012, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by lewstelamon01 View Post
The fleet was all parked in space dock when someone decided to poke around a tricobalt mine. "Ooh, what does this button do?"

*BOOM*

The rest is history.
I bet the tric mine was buffed with tac buffs and critted. :p

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# 58
12-01-2012, 04:26 PM
I'm still having epileptic seizures from the first film.
Play more STO Foundry! (You can thank me later.)

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# 59
12-01-2012, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by stofsk View Post
Oh man, I don't know whether to be cautiously optimistic or groan and despair that they're really going to repeat the mistakes of the previous film. There's nothing about this plot synopsis that sounds even remotely interesting but at the same time, there's no writer's strike to interfere with the film's development - so it should be good, right?

...Right???
Only in your dreams.

All else is up to what ever nightmare that can be created.
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# 60
12-02-2012, 02:28 AM
I predict

More Uhura spock romance (which is frankly not acceptable he is her superior officer , her TEACHER at the accademy , older than her dad and not the same species not to mention its totally illogical)

More taking the michael out of Chekovs Accent

More bad jokes at the expense of Sulu

More completely pointless scenes of hand to hand combat

Scotty will be portrayed AGAIN as an over eager puppy

Kirk will look "grim and determined" or as we call it "constipated"

There will be lense flare and way too many explosions.

Mc Coy will continue to be played as House in space

The Racial stereo typing will continue and get WORSE

Enterprise will still be equipped with Heavy cannons not phaser beams

The rank structure will be Entirely ignored AGAIN

Half of starfleet will be blown to bits so the enterprise can be "the last battlestar"

Frankly he should have made Battlestar galactica (effectively he did)
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