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# 11
11-30-2012, 10:33 AM
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Glad we got the fixes out in a reasonable amount of time. And a special thanks to the few folks in this community that provided thorough repro steps and explanations for what, exactly, was happening.

In the future, if any of you come across something this major in the future and are uncomfortable discussing it openly on the forums, please feel free to PM myself, PWEBranflakes or ArchonCryptic directly. These sorts of bugs need thorough documentation and explanation before we can track down the root causes, and just making a post that says nothing other than "Voldemort is back!" is approximately 0% helpful. Especially since multiple different bugs have been given that nickname, now.
So when people reported this on tribble, they must not have told you the exact way to reproduce it. That explains why you released it to live anyway.
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11-30-2012, 10:39 AM
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So when people reported this on tribble, they must not have told you the exact way to reproduce it. That explains why you released it to live anyway.
Lol...I'm copy/pasting this from another forum discussing this same topic.

"It would be like ford releasing a new car that knowing it has a tendency to have its brake lines blow apart while driving. Can you imagine ford coming out and saying

"These sorts of bugs need thorough documentation and explanation before we can track down the root causes, and just making a post that says nothing other than "I have no brakes! is back!" is approximately 0% helpful"
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11-30-2012, 10:50 AM
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Good to know in the "future" we can do that since in the "past" you guys banned people for doing that

Thanks for fixing it in the "present" though
Actually, exploits should never be posted on the forums PM those directly to one of the 3 of us and/ or file a GM ticket (emphasis on "and"). Bugs with repo steps are fine, but you know when something is an exploit It seems that this voldy was a bug.

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11-30-2012, 10:56 AM
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I thought I understood the relationship between bugs, exploits, and exploiting until you guys started trying to redefine them. What part of abusing buggy programming is not an exploit? Where do we draw that line?

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11-30-2012, 10:59 AM
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Uh, what's a Voldy bug?
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Good to know in the "future" we can do that since in the "past" you guys banned people for doing that

Thanks for fixing it in the "present" though
Future, past, present... ??? Oh... I see. It was a Temporal Lock Box thing? Hahahahaha...


Still doesn't know about Voldy, but since I don't PvP, I guess I'll be content in my ignorance and happy that it's fixed.


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11-30-2012, 11:00 AM
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Actually, exploits should never be posted on the forums PM those directly to one of the 3 of us and/ or file a GM ticket (emphasis on "and"). Bugs with repo steps are fine, but you know when something is an exploit It seems that this voldy was a bug.

Cheers,

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I'm starting to think that you don't. Exploiting is taking advantage of a bug.
Or are you saying the old Voldemort wasn't a bug? Why is the new one suddenly one.
This just seams like an excuse for allowing moderators to ban people depending on their mood.

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11-30-2012, 11:01 AM
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I thought I understood the relationship between bugs, exploits, and exploiting until you guys started trying to redefine them. What part of abusing buggy programming is not an exploit? Where do we draw that line?
We didn't have to in this case, Bort said he didn't consider it an exploit.

>>The improperly written code worked as it was intended.
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11-30-2012, 11:02 AM
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Lol...maybe Lord!
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11-30-2012, 11:04 AM
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I can only really guess anymore. So what is what by your definition?

A bug/exploit that's hard to do is an exploit.
A bug/exploit that's easy to do is a bug?

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11-30-2012, 11:18 AM
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Future, past, present... ??? Oh... I see. It was a Temporal Lock Box thing? Hahahahaha...


Still doesn't know about Voldy, but since I don't PvP, I guess I'll be content in my ignorance and happy that it's fixed.
Voldemort was the code word coined in reference to an issue regarding shuttles and ships gaining extra bridge officer slots.
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