Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 131
11-27-2012, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by orelbitin View Post
you might think from the tittle im just another person who pissed at the klingons for killing him so much well its true but the tittle its telling the truth
No tittle is telling "some body is a sore looser"

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Originally Posted by orelbitin View Post
first off i know klingons are over powered because when i started playing as a Klingon and got to level 30 with only 3 weapons in the front of my bird of prey i could insta kill escorts , i could kill cruisers in a few seconds and by my standards that too much power.trust me i know thats too much because my fed player has a fleet tactical escort retrofit with 4 weapons in the front 5 tact slots and i cant kill any klingon bird of pray with one shoot and trust me iv tried many different weapon combinations .
So hang on let me get this strait, Klingons are over powered because when you where fighting low level AI you could one shot them but as a Fed playing a higher level against higher level AI you couldn't one shot them.

Exactly how is that a fair comparison?

Last time I played a low level Fed I could one shot the Ai too so that must mean the Feds are overpowered....
Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 507
# 132
11-27-2012, 02:29 PM
If I was a mod I'd have locked this a long time ago and given the Original Poster a warning for posting a nonconstructive, ill informed piece of nonsense.
Lieutenant
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 94
# 133
11-28-2012, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by kbflordkrueg View Post
*gets out popcorn and beer*
Wow...havn't seen one of these "Klingons are OP!" threads in a while...
They are always entertaining...and so incorrect....carry on...
*munches away*
At least now we all have something to do while we wait for them to fix the patcher launcher problem...
hey give me some of that beer and popcorn
Lieutenant
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 94
# 134
11-28-2012, 05:44 PM
Klingons are over powered? No we're not. We have fewer ships meaning we normally keep the ship we get not change ships every two days
Ensign
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 14
# 135
11-28-2012, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by veruler View Post
Uh.. really? Because there are Feds out there you see and say.. Frack..
Thank god we adapt and over come the lack of content on the Klingon side. We learn to pvp since that is all we had at the launch of the game.
Ensign
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 2
# 136
12-01-2012, 11:40 AM
The only thing KDF has over the Feds is the cloak, period. That damage boost is a one time deal unless you're a bop. Birds are also super fragile, which is why they have to abuse the battle cloak. I have no idea what type of ship you're playing or what your build is, but if you can't take down a lone bop, you suck at this game (not trying to be overly offensive). They balanced the two factions out considerably from beta and season one. IMO, Feds are still a little ahead of us in combat capabilities.
Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 252
# 137
12-03-2012, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ipwn3gs View Post
The only thing KDF has over the Feds is the cloak, period. That damage boost is a one time deal unless you're a bop. Birds are also super fragile, which is why they have to abuse the battle cloak. I have no idea what type of ship you're playing or what your build is, but if you can't take down a lone bop, you suck at this game (not trying to be overly offensive). They balanced the two factions out considerably from beta and season one. IMO, Feds are still a little ahead of us in combat capabilities.
And yet they still complain about the Defiant not having a battle cloak when it is the most powerful escort in terms of sheer destructive power.

I had this one guy in a Wells Time ship call every BOP pilot that killed him in a decloaking alpha strike or failed to kill him and run away cowards.

It isn't my fault that he made himself an easy target by not having the foresight to run Tac Team and other defenses to blunt my assault.

The truth is, the KDF isn't overpowered. Sure most of us had to do PVP in order to level up our toons due to lack of PVE content. That gives many of us more PVP experience than the average Fed player.

The reason why the average Fed players believe us to be overpowered is because the PVE content didn't prepare them for the horrors of fighting a thinking opponent that isn't afraid to turn them to space dust for one little missed buff.
Captain
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# 138
12-04-2012, 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by cliftona91 View Post
And yet they still complain about the Defiant not having a battle cloak when it is the most powerful escort in terms of sheer destructive power.

I had this one guy in a Wells Time ship call every BOP pilot that killed him in a decloaking alpha strike or failed to kill him and run away cowards.

It isn't my fault that he made himself an easy target by not having the foresight to run Tac Team and other defenses to blunt my assault.

The truth is, the KDF isn't overpowered. Sure most of us had to do PVP in order to level up our toons due to lack of PVE content. That gives many of us more PVP experience than the average Fed player.

The reason why the average Fed players believe us to be overpowered is because the PVE content didn't prepare them for the horrors of fighting a thinking opponent that isn't afraid to turn them to space dust for one little missed buff.
PVP will always be a different experience from PvE-the proof for this, is the reaction to the improvements in the Borg AI introduced in S7, which made it more fun for some of us, and generated indignant howls of panty-twisted pain from others.

All Cryptic really did to generate this indignant screeching, was make a few missions a little bit more like fighting a mediocre PvP'er. I ran Onslaught in Tribble on a BoP, I ran it on live in a BoP, had no serious issues, but Feds used to "Dumb borg who can't see you if you park HERE" couldn't take it and howled on and on in protest...because for fifty levels plus however long they were doing STF's, they'd never EVER fought an opponent who actually had any adaptability or skill at all.

The interesting thing is, our ships are, put nicely, sub-par compared on a Tech level/Hull to hull basis, but we keep winning in PvP, and only the very BEST of the Federations' players can keep up with what amounts to the KDF's mediocre level players-and they often require ships with close-to-overwhelming superiority to do so.

WE "Win", they "Whine", as the OP in this thread demonstrates, and it's a matter of a few key things:

1. Because the KDF community IS so small, information gets around a lot faster, and members are more likely to share info between one another. Builds, powers, skill and layout choices, how x impacts y...

2. Our environment pushes our player-members to improve themselves and their playing style harder than the FEd environment does. VERY few KDF refuse to PvP at all, and it's a major source of Dilithium to do it, so we do it MORE, which means seeing and experiencing more in terms of how the game-mechanics ACTUALLY work.

3. Warrior Ethic. The KDF as a faction choice appeals to a warrior ethic, a greater willingness to challenge superior enemies and accept the occasional loss if it leads to a future victory.

4. Because the community is small, when five random klinks show up in Ker'rat, or on the PvP ques, after a while they either know, or know of, one another-which makes them more capable of acting 'team like' and covering one another's strengths and weaknesses than an equivalent random FEd Pug. Also, because of that "Warrior Ethic" that infuses the fiction (and thus, the community) Klinks are less likely to roam off on their own and get killed, more likely to seek out "Laggers" in the Fed herd to strike down first, etc.

(4) extends into the STF ques as well-an All-Klink team from different fleets is still more likely to PuG an Optional on CSE than an all-Fed Pug, even if they are not running "The best ships for the mission".

I've been spending more time on my Fedside alts, and things I have noticed:

Klinks may have the rep for being surly, but Feds, esp. in Fleetmark events where there are no outsiders, really DO treat one another badly in comparison with Klinks in the same or similar situations. They don't talk to each other, they don't greet one another, they never congratulate one another and they never stop to discuss tactics or offer advice.

THIS HAS AN IMPACT ON PLAY.
"when you're out of Birds of Prey, you're out of ships."

Are you KDF looking for a reason to log in to your KDF Main? consider that every time you do, you're giving the finger to the people that want the KDF as a faction to die out from neglect.
Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
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# 139
12-04-2012, 08:40 AM
I used to think KDF were overpowered and I usually expected to die when queued up for KvF PVP. Then I joined fleets who taught me how to make a proper builds. Suffice it to say I finally understand the game mechanics about builds and character traits. With that new acquired knowledge, I decided to create a KDF toon from ground up and honestly I make federal players cry with only mk XI console gear, most of it rare quality. To this day I still cringe thinking about the horrible mistakes I've made with my earlier builds, and how stupid I must have sounded with the insults I've thrown at KDF convinced they were a bunch of cheaters and haxxors LOL. To be honest, I'd bet good money on KDF being able to go in with mk VIII common gear in pvp and still slaughter the average feds pugs simply because they know how to pilot their ships.

Seriously, STO doesn't encourage novices to learn anything unless they let go of their ego and ask questions around (or simply visit the forums). For almost 4 months, I was flying mixed tac consoles that don't match the weapons I carried (which were also mixed), sci consoles that didn't help with the boffs abilities and didn't care one bit about subsystems power levels etc. I didn't even have active space/ground doffs. To me, Fed PVE content motivated players to just pew pew, teamwork seemed like an alien concept. Anyways, I don't think it is a bad thing STO is run like that, the more complex the game is the more fun I can get out of it. Funny thing is, I'm still learning things.
Forum fun murdered. No longer in service.

Last edited by deokkent; 12-04-2012 at 08:52 AM.
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# 140
12-04-2012, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by cliftona91 View Post

I had this one guy in a Wells Time ship call every BOP pilot that killed him in a decloaking alpha strike or failed to kill him and run away cowards.


That always tickled me in Ker'rat. They cry of "coward" from the feds for running when a BoP Alpha did not work when they do the same thing in thier Defiants when they fail to succeed at an Alpha.
The only difference is the KDF don't always call coward but instead just follow and complete the kill.

Or as a wise warrior once said, " Ayeyatickwumpyastauntadajobisdon"
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