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Rihannsu
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# 71
12-03-2012, 03:48 PM
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Most illnesses we currently die from are a product of progress actually
Progress did not created baby eating Dingos ... and neither of most illnesses are a product of progress, just back when in living in caves they were more concerned about MAULING BEARS that why was Uga Buga sneezing.

Some are product of humans living longer but they are all natural.
Survivor of Romulus
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# 72
12-03-2012, 03:54 PM
smoking related illnesses
Booze related illnesses
Cancers caused by smoke fumes etc
asbestos
and so on
indeed many epidemics are caused only by there being too many people in a small space

See all progress is both positive and negative

Bronze gave us Weapons And Kitchen untensils
Lasers can both blind and cure blindness
TV gave us Star trek and Firefly
Captain
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# 73
12-03-2012, 06:08 PM
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Personally Id abandon manned space travel entirely and send Robots
Robots can only do so much. They're entirely dependent on human operators, and there's a delay on the time radio signals travel between Earth and other planets/regions in space.

Remember the asteroid that allegedly killed off the dinosaurs 65 million years ago? That could happen again, and we need to be ready to either blast it off course or have a backup colony somewhere off-planet. Preferably both.

If we colonize another planet, we greatly increase the chances of humanity surviving as a race. It's the only logical thing to do.
"It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid."
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Captain
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# 74
12-03-2012, 07:40 PM
If an asteroid came here, there's gonna be no "lets blow it up with a big nuke" fix, we're screwed and if we have a colony off world, they're screwed with us, it will just take them longer to die.
That colony would rely on us for manufacturing and resources and all the little things not available locally, there is no way a colony could be completely self sufficient in this solar system unless they have their own sources of food, air, water, access to raw materials and the means to manufacture goods, not to mention a gene-pool of sufficient size to guarantee the survival of the species.
Roughing it in the wild living off the land is only something that can be done on Earth or on an Earth like planet and we don't have anymore of those and it doesn't work so well when there's no life around you and you have to bring your own air with you.
A lifeboat for humanity would have to be a fully functioning completely self sufficient society, not merely a colony.

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# 75
12-03-2012, 08:18 PM
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If an asteroid came here, there's gonna be no "lets blow it up with a big nuke" fix, we're screwed and if we have a colony off world, they're screwed with us, it will just take them longer to die.
That colony would rely on us for manufacturing and resources and all the little things not available locally, there is no way a colony could be completely self sufficient in this solar system unless they have their own sources of food, air, water, access to raw materials and the means to manufacture goods, not to mention a gene-pool of sufficient size to guarantee the survival of the species.
Roughing it in the wild living off the land is only something that can be done on Earth or on an Earth like planet and we don't have anymore of those and it doesn't work so well when there's no life around you and you have to bring your own air with you.
A lifeboat for humanity would have to be a fully functioning completely self sufficient society, not merely a colony.
Exactly why we should get cracking on it ASAP.
"It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid."
-- Q
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# 76
12-03-2012, 09:11 PM
With currently existing technology, no new materials or science needed, the cheapest per-ton launch vehicle we could build would use nuclear pulse propulsion. An Orion Drive could easily put 4000+ tons into orbit, and beyond. 20,000 ton Orion ships were theorized.

Of course, I don't expect anyone to actually build and launch one of these things.
Survivor of Romulus
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# 77
12-04-2012, 02:33 AM
If a Global killer swings by we would have only three options

1 blow the living daylights out of it (impractical but possible)
2 Go for the shelters and hope some of us survive (does not take many to live to rebuild)
3 Pray

My money is on 3
Captain
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# 78
12-04-2012, 06:39 AM
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With currently existing technology, no new materials or science needed, the cheapest per-ton launch vehicle we could build would use nuclear pulse propulsion. An Orion Drive could easily put 4000+ tons into orbit, and beyond. 20,000 ton Orion ships were theorized.

Of course, I don't expect anyone to actually build and launch one of these things.
Well, if we found out that the planet would be obliterated by the end of the century... you'd be amazed at what resources would be devoted to building giant 'arks' to rescue our civilization.

However when you look at it that way, it's amazing nobody's decided it's a good idea based on the Mayan prophecy of false doom.
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# 79
12-04-2012, 06:57 AM
the probably best and cheapest way to get in to space is combining both jet engines and rockets on one vehicle, such as the skylon plane with an engine or jet and rocket combined and also the virgin galactic spaceships. Use the jet engines or supersonic engines to get high enough and the use the rocket to take the vehicle the rest of the way to space. Done deal. As for space travel propulsion the only best engines we have are the ion engines but also there is the Vasimr engine which i have been following and it look very promising. The engine also produces an electromagatic field around the ship which can protect everyone on board also for artificial gravity do that old idea of have a piece of he ship spin where people can live in, like in mission to mars movie and other movies.

As for blowing up a astroiod or meteor do what they did in Armageddon, blow the damn thing from the instead out. Or shot rockets in to the big thing which can change the trajectory/course so it misses earth. Or how about building a giant laser and shooting at it from a distance?

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# 80
12-04-2012, 08:56 AM
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If a Global killer swings by we would have only three options

1 blow the living daylights out of it (impractical but possible)
2 Go for the shelters and hope some of us survive (does not take many to live to rebuild)
3 Pray

My money is on 3
Why not all three? Triple redundancy.

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As for blowing up a astroiod or meteor do what they did in Armageddon, blow the damn thing from the instead out. Or shot rockets in to the big thing which can change the trajectory/course so it misses earth. Or how about building a giant laser and shooting at it from a distance?
One idea is to use a "gravity tug", a ship or satellite that flies up next to the asteroid and uses its gravity to gradually alter the asteroid's course. Obviously that's intended to be part of a long-term plan, as the effect would be very gradual.

Blowing up tons of nukes on one side of it should have some effect.
"It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid."
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