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# 61
12-03-2012, 10:51 PM
this is why i have no interest in premades, pvp pecking orders, the elite pvp fleets, and pvp dynastyes. what the hell are you all talking about anyway? are any of you having fun any more?

i am, because i know that being good at pvp, or even the best at it is not a tangible accomplishment. the only thing you can get out of it is enjoyment. i will always do what i think is fun first, and what is effective second. luckily, what i find fun through accident or force of will becomes effective in its own way, and much fun is had.

i think everyone needs to just forget this thread ever happened, and decide for yourselves just what is fair play and what isn't and let your builds reflect that. we all know what sucks the fun out of pvp, and it will never be ok with me to use any of it.
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# 62
12-03-2012, 11:51 PM
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To Jorfy - I will be playing MWO, just not with you
You'll find me on MWO from time to time with the name Web Death.

And interesting to see you roaming these forums.
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Think about this:
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# 63
12-04-2012, 01:16 AM
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To Jorfy - I will be playing MWO, just not with you
Well, well, well. Looks like the gauntlet has been thrown
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# 64
12-04-2012, 02:01 AM
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This is at least the fourth version of this thread ive seen where TSI decides that they will now use all the cheese in the game. It's like the matrix - this has all happened before and will happen again.

Heres a STO history lesson - TSI has always and will always use cheese and exploits to win. I can't believe years later people still think otherwise. From Tactical Captain exploits to FAW to Torp Spread to whatever it is now, theyll use it. Dont believe otherwise.

TSI and Qew made a tournament ruleset with some restrictions, one of them being the one hit kill torp spread. We'd meet them in arena queues, beat them 15-0 under the tournament rules, only to have them come back literally 5 minutes later in the next game with the same 5 guys but this time with torp spread on their science ships.

They had to though. Someone said they have 7 good players. Thats a joke. They have 2. Rock and Era. Era keeps the team alive, and Rock blows things up. Everyone else is filler. Control rock with harrassment (power drains, turn speeder debuffs, tractor beams) and then TSI gets no kills. Thats why they had to use torp spread on their Sci ships to get any kills against us, because they only had 1 escort player that could do anything and he was easy to control.

Anyways, I cant believe theres still drama around this fleet. This topic is exactly what theyve been like the whole time.

Love Kharns

QEW

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well thats not very nice. i seem to recall most of tsi as being looked upon in some form or another and i persoanlly think i've helped a lot in the past with science builds/how to use it.

the one thing tsi has had and always will have is our ability to adapt to any situation we're in.

there was a game not too long ago where a tsi team i was on ran into a teams worst nightmare.

4 fed cruisers with extend shields and a hard hitting jem attack ship. we were losing, badly.

we didnt *****, we didnt moan, we didnt complain, what did we do? we adapted. our science guy on our team (me) after figuring out with the team that he needed to change his bo's around.

so mid game i flew out of combat range and swapped some powers then came back in. guess what happened? we won.

we were down pretty bad until we adapted to the extend shields and took a couple shockwaves that were then used to expose targets.

they unfortantly were not able to adapt to our adapation. and TSI managed to pull a victory.

thats the power of teamwork and the power of adapting on the fly to the current combat situation.

that is what has always been TSI's "secret".

and reguardless of what anyone says/will say. TSI's policy has consistanly been for the past 3 years- TSI team members will use what they want, when they want unless its requestion in a premade match setting to restrict specific abilities/powers/whatever.

also keep in mind that TSI has almost been together with the same people for about 3 years. we learned what each other pretty well over time. that gives one of the biggest advantages too.


there ya go.
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Frankly, I think the only sound advice that one can give new players at this time is to stay away from PVP in STO.
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# 65
12-04-2012, 05:08 AM
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If anyone is interested in PVP, come join me on Guild Wars 2 or Planetside 2. You won't find any P2W there or a lack of PVP support.
What is your GW2 name? While I'm waiting on the Head Elf to deliver my new PC, I've been looking at GW2 and it looks cool and somewhat streamlined.

Though to be honest I'm so tired of fantasy based games.
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# 66
12-04-2012, 05:55 AM
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bla and bla again.
What a beautiful story...

Nevertheless it completely dodges the post you quoted. Wanna tell a story about the FAW or Torp Spread incidents?

And when all you spanish buddies say that you allow each other to use whatever they want, does that include exploits, which this game has always been full of? Or do you draw a line between cheese and broken mechanics? Guess not, since you used it all.
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# 67
12-04-2012, 06:23 AM
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What a beautiful story...

Nevertheless it completely dodges the post you quoted. Wanna tell a story about the FAW or Torp Spread incidents?

And when all you spanish buddies say that you allow each other to use whatever they want, does that include exploits, which this game has always been full of? Or do you draw a line between cheese and broken mechanics? Guess not, since you used it all.
we've never really used FAW. era ran it a bit a while back i think and zorena toyed with it on an escort to show the dev's how broken it was.

torp spread incidents? i recall myself using it almost all the time but then, ive always used torp spread on my science builds. same with scramble sensors. i've always used it too.



what exploits are you saying tsi uses?

the only incident i can think of even remotly close to being considered that is when zorena used the tacitcal to boost defense thing that EVERY tacitcal was doing weither they knew it or not.
but that was a couple years ago.


broken mechanics need to be fixed. a good example of a broken mechanic is the "one crit to rule them all" bug. but this applies to just about everything in the game with mulitple hits itd be hard for anyone to not use this mechanic.

and there arent any exploits in this game that i'm aware of.

and as for cheese, cryptic put it there, crypitc has listened to the community and ignored it. i personally still feel that the pvp community is partly to blame for not showing crypitc often enough because of "gentlemens" agreements to not use "cheese".

thats a backwards step imo. if somthing is cheesy, it needs to be shoved into the dev's faces so they can what they did. rub their noses in it.
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Frankly, I think the only sound advice that one can give new players at this time is to stay away from PVP in STO.
Science pvp at its best-http://www.youtube.com/user/matteo716
Do you even Science Bro?
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# 68
12-04-2012, 07:16 AM
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thats a backwards step imo. if somthing is cheesy, it needs to be shoved into the dev's faces so they can what they did. rub their noses in it.

As a complete outsider to this conversation, I would say that what you have said above is flawed logic.

The only people's noses it would be rubbed in, are other players.

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# 69
12-04-2012, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by maicake716 View Post
we've never really used FAW. era ran it a bit a while back i think and zorena toyed with it on an escort to show the dev's how broken it was.

torp spread incidents? i recall myself using it almost all the time but then, ive always used torp spread on my science builds. same with scramble sensors. i've always used it too.



what exploits are you saying tsi uses?

the only incident i can think of even remotly close to being considered that is when zorena used the tacitcal to boost defense thing that EVERY tacitcal was doing weither they knew it or not.
but that was a couple years ago.


broken mechanics need to be fixed. a good example of a broken mechanic is the "one crit to rule them all" bug. but this applies to just about everything in the game with mulitple hits itd be hard for anyone to not use this mechanic.

and there arent any exploits in this game that i'm aware of.

and as for cheese, cryptic put it there, crypitc has listened to the community and ignored it. i personally still feel that the pvp community is partly to blame for not showing crypitc often enough because of "gentlemens" agreements to not use "cheese".

thats a backwards step imo. if somthing is cheesy, it needs to be shoved into the dev's faces so they can what they did. rub their noses in it.

Extremely entertaining stuff. Had me rolling from the first sentence to the last
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# 70
12-04-2012, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ussultimatum View Post
As a complete outsider to this conversation, I would say that what you have said above is flawed logic.

The only people's noses it would be rubbed in, are other players.
and then the more people that would complain about powers being too over the top the more crytpic would have to take notice. i know my logic isnt perfect but i see it this way.

the average joe uses consoles, they dont use them very well. so cryptic sees nothing wrong with the console.

the average pvp'r uses the console, it causes extreme duress to other players, cryptic then hears from a lot more players then currently about the issues.

not using them is showing cryptic that there is nothing wrong becuase noone outside of the small pvp community says anything about them.

not using them for the past couple years, since the first console came out... has done absolutly nothing to get them fixed.


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Extremely entertaining stuff. Had me rolling from the first sentence to the last
and why's that? are you on fire?
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Frankly, I think the only sound advice that one can give new players at this time is to stay away from PVP in STO.
Science pvp at its best-http://www.youtube.com/user/matteo716
Do you even Science Bro?
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