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Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 21
12-05-2012, 07:36 AM
To me, the two "panic points" for dilithium will be 100 per zen and 60 per zen. At 100, it takes a full $20 to get one cosmetic project for the starbase done, and at 60, the amount of dilithium required to buy a tier 5 ship (120,000) = $20, the cost of most tier 5.1's on the C-Store. I have a funny feeling (hope maybe) that Cryptic won't allow their C-store stuff to be "cheaper" than the "free" stuff available in game...

I know this, I've sworn off of base projects and most other dilithium buys now that it's dropped below 200 (enough so that $10 = one cosmetic project), and don't plan on doing anything with the market until I either start rolling in dilithium (which, with all the sinks, I don't forsee myself doing) or it climbs back up my personal minimum of 200. My base has also stalled until such time as I get most of what I want from the reputation system - which might not be well until after next year as I am "casual" and it takes most of my playtime to maintain one toon in the reputation system and I have 6 that need to travel through the system...

Well, maybe the year after that, since I have to keep up with seasons 8 and 9 in that timeframe... Ahh, the curse of joining during F2P, I don't have the massive stockpiles that these sinks were designed to suck down, and earning as I go is quite expensive...
50: S'Leth/Eurthyr/S. Dareau/Ardrian/Krudge/Annlova Not: Jadja
Still at it. CBS "restrictions" fell by wayside with freebie Breen. Time to re-examine ENT and ToS at tier 5, repurpose the Connie into Sci and rebuild an Akira escort into the "NX". 6 "eras", spread evenly over all the classes...
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# 22
12-05-2012, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by dareau View Post
To me, the two "panic points" for dilithium will be 100 per zen and 60 per zen. At 100, it takes a full $20 to get one cosmetic project for the starbase done, and at 60, the amount of dilithium required to buy a tier 5 ship (120,000) = $20, the cost of most tier 5.1's on the C-Store. I have a funny feeling (hope maybe) that Cryptic won't allow their C-store stuff to be "cheaper" than the "free" stuff available in game...

I know this, I've sworn off of base projects and most other dilithium buys now that it's dropped below 200 (enough so that $10 = one cosmetic project), and don't plan on doing anything with the market until I either start rolling in dilithium (which, with all the sinks, I don't forsee myself doing) or it climbs back up my personal minimum of 200. My base has also stalled until such time as I get most of what I want from the reputation system - which might not be well until after next year as I am "casual" and it takes most of my playtime to maintain one toon in the reputation system and I have 6 that need to travel through the system...

Well, maybe the year after that, since I have to keep up with seasons 8 and 9 in that timeframe... Ahh, the curse of joining during F2P, I don't have the massive stockpiles that these sinks were designed to suck down, and earning as I go is quite expensive...
The Majority of Dilithium sinks will be finished in 2 months I would say, since thats around the time frame for tier 5 of the Reputation systems. Then it will be back to the Starbase, As for the Cosmetic projects, You could always hold off on them. They will start repeating, Stahl said they would. Progress the starbase as quickly as you can, work on the cosmetics when they replay.
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Ensign
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# 23
12-05-2012, 08:03 AM
I'd just be happy if they would add a small amount of dil to the fleet mark events.It would be great to hit your dil cap for the day just doing what you enjoy without the grind.

There's already a cap on how much can be refined in a day.I know there is always the argument about those with large amounts of alts but those people payed for those character slots in one way or another.Either through store purchases or gold membership so they deserve to refine more.

Me I'm happy with my 3 toons.Just think about the fun factor.Do what you like and suddenly you look down and have hit your 8k for the day.

I know I know but I'm aloud to dream.
Commander
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# 24
12-05-2012, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by goad136 View Post
I know there is always the argument about those with large amounts of alts but those people payed for those character slots in one way or another.Either through store purchases or gold membership so they deserve to refine more.
No sir, that was "exploiting" -- they hacked the system for those alts and were cheating everyone else in the game because of it.

Or so I've been told.
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# 25
12-05-2012, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by atomictiki View Post
No sir, that was "exploiting" -- they hacked the system for those alts and were cheating everyone else in the game because of it.

Or so I've been told.
* blinks and looks at his 12 characters on one account and shrugs*
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Commander
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# 26
12-05-2012, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by hippiejon View Post
what exactly are "STF standards" ?
I started doing STFs at Lvl 45 with what gear I had available.
A good pilot who knows what they are doing could handle normals with common equipment.
maybe even elites.

So , what is STF standards ?

I am actually interested, as you are not the first I have heard use similar terms.
LOL!!! Well said. I keep hearing people say things like "getting my ship ready to be able to STfs" and such. STFs are faceroll easy with crappy gear as long as you actually know how to play your toon in a teamwork setting and pay attention to what everyone else is doing. STF success is and always has been 100% about how you play, not what gear you have.
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# 27
12-05-2012, 10:30 AM
Golden rules for Gearing for STF's

Ground
Do not forget a remodulator
have Hypos
have Shield boosts
have a USEFUL kit
Different energy types on weapons is helpful
A sword always works if you are close assault capable
if you are a SCI take some powers that heal

Space
Do not turn up in your PVP super speced fighter
Do not come in a shuttle
Do not mount ONLY torpedo mine weapons
Its better to be a rainbow warrior than carry low spec gear (like a full set of MK VI )
And forget anything anyone ever says about Escorts unless you are VERY good with escorts
Captain
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# 28
12-05-2012, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by humblesheep View Post
The Solution - please Cryptic
Quite simply, drop the Dilithium requirements for the entire Reputation system and earned items, we dont even need the Dilithium drops/rewards if we dont need to spend it for the earned items (unless, of course, you really need to give us Dilithium so that we can sell it on the exchange).
After pushing my way through the reputation system, I can honestly tell you that the dilithium requirements are not bad. People are just burning themselves out, for they are trying to tackle fleet bases, embassies, and the reputation system at once. Its not possible.

As someone who is a rabid critic of Cryptic, I can 100% assure you that the reputation system is near perfect.

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Doffs
...the massive Dilithium cost to upgrade doff makes this path all but impossible except for the Dilithium rich.
Incorrect.

If you have been playing the system for about a year, like myself, you would have realized duty officers have always had a dilithium cost. When you complete each tier in your selected commendation (diplomacy, science, military, etc...), you can unlock duty officers in which can be purchased with dilithium. You can buy those duty officers at a cheaper dilithium cost than through upgrades. Here is the bonus... You get to choose a specific duty officer type, so that you will not just get a random officer.

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Originally Posted by humblesheep View Post
Does it matter how fast starbases or embassys are built? or how quickly toons level up? or whether so-and-so gets all his Mk12 gear in a week? What matters is that more people play the game and enjoy it. Surely, it is that simple, isn?t it?
Upon observing the system as a fleet member and owner, I noticed that people want both fun and progress. People want instant gratification through a fun and passionately driven experience. If one or the other is lacking, people become quickly disenfranchised. People want to see instant results for their efforts, and they want them to happen in a fun and exciting environment.

Last edited by linyive; 12-05-2012 at 11:09 AM.
Lt. Commander
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# 29
12-05-2012, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by linyive View Post
After pushing my way through the reputation system, I can honestly tell you that the dilithium requirements are not bad. People are just burning themselves out, for they are trying to tackle fleet bases, embassies, and the reputation system at once. Its not possible.
You might be right that the dilithium requirements may not be that bad, but I dont see it myself, 20, 30, 40 or 50k an item (excuse me for not knowing the exact prices) is still a lot, for casual players anyway, and up to Season 7, they were free.

OK so people cant do everything at once, but in Season 6 they could do a lot more at once than they can now. Whats the game about, surely, it should be about people enjoying themselves, if they were enjoying doing all those things in Season 6, then Season 7 has to be a backwards step, even if not for everyone.


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Originally Posted by linyive View Post
If you have been playing the system for about a year, like myself, you would have realized duty officers have always had a dilithium cost..
Yes, 10 times less.

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Originally Posted by linyive View Post
...you can unlock duty officers in which can be purchased with dilithium. You can buy those duty officers at a cheaper dilithium cost than through upgrades. Here is the bonus... You get to choose a specific duty officer type, so that you will not just get a random officer.
Yes you can, and I have. The trouble is, Lt Feras doffs seem to have been particularly chosen for their mediocrity. I still end up on the exchange looking for doffs most of the time. And remember you have been playing for a year, new players have a much harder struggle to learn the system. My new toons start off well, mainly because my existing toons can sub them some good doffs, someone new to the game cant do that unless they are in a very kind fleet.

Hardcore players and those with all the gear and doffs arent the ones being hit hardest by the Season 7 changes, new players are, and they are the ones Cryptic need most to pay for all of us to play the game. Your OK, Im OK, a lot pf people reading this are OK, but there are a lot more who arent.
"He tasks me. He tasks me, and I shall have him. For every doff box bought, I'll chase him round the Moons of Nibia and round the Antares Maelstrom and round Perdition's flames. For every single doff box opened, I stab at thee from hell's heart. For every single doff contributed, I spit my last breath at thee..." Khan Playing STO
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# 30
12-05-2012, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by sollvax View Post
And forget anything anyone ever says about Escorts unless you are VERY good with escorts
I love my bug.

Im just off to try out the new console I bought 2 days ago.
"He tasks me. He tasks me, and I shall have him. For every doff box bought, I'll chase him round the Moons of Nibia and round the Antares Maelstrom and round Perdition's flames. For every single doff box opened, I stab at thee from hell's heart. For every single doff contributed, I spit my last breath at thee..." Khan Playing STO
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