S*** movies make more profit with less money http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0377092/
...way way way way moreST 2009 is an average movie like it or not ,nothing amazing about it just in "meh" category not worthy of the name.
JJ is just a average guy (like his movies) with no imagination or any talet.PLay some foundry missions in STO and you will see that there are people which are way way way better than him at writing good stories and using the brain for imagination,none of them being paid millions.
Then excuse my european a** for buying all Star Trek movies on DvD and BluRay or fan clubs in UK or Germany ...heck ,excuse Patrick Stewart for being from oversea
You do realize no movie, or video game, or anything else in this world is good/bad/meh simply because one person says it is, right? Even majority doesn't make it so; only in the individual's opinion does it ever have that kind of label. You think ST2009 is an average movie, fine, but that does NOT mean it IS one. I think it was great personally, and I enjoyed the movie the same way I enjoy the Foundry missions in-game: because it's enjoyable
And I don't agree about JJ's writing ability: Lost was pretty engaging for my brain, when most other things aren't Keeping track of every little detail is pretty simulating
And I meant in overall finiance, not for every aspect XD
Was named Trek17, but still an author.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh'.
Yeah I'm pretty sure the rest of the world added up equals more than the American market alone.
Im pretty sure you dont know math.There are over 700 millions people in Europe ,thats double than US.Even if you have less Star Trek fans per captia you will still get number of star trek fans in US .
If you add the rest of the world...US is really tiny compared to the rest of the world
TOS was not that big in Europe and in the rest of the world in the 60 because ...well ,it was the cold war ffs.But you probably know that and dont think the world in 2012 is exactly like the one in 1960.
Originally Posted by born2bwild1
Funny I watched an interview with Patrick Steward where he said that he got a call to read for the part of Captian Picard and he had to ask around what was this show called Star Trek - he had never heard of it before. He was like "Well you have to understand I had my neck deep in the Threatre - sci fiction was not my cup of tea"
Yep ,you probably dont know history..
TOS was not popular in the 60 in Europe (cold war being one of the causes).Europe had other sci fi shows liek Space 1999 (in the 70s right after star trek - english director with american main actor).
Now if Stewart had no idea about Trek maybe you should ask JJ
Originally Posted by trek21
You think ST2009 is an average movie, fine, but that does NOT mean it IS one.
Is not average because I say so (I said is s*** not average) .The movie is average because there is no part in that movie that remains in your brain after it ends...its a big average nothing like most "remakes" using old franchises.Average acting ,average script ,over the average horrible computer animations and lens flare ...and over the average paycheck for JJ.
all this stuff about how much money a film makes per dollar put in is irrelevant.
would you rather be the company that spends 1$ on a film and comes back with a million, or 200 million and comes back with 400m? sure the first film has an unbelievable return for what you put in but your still 199 million down on company B.
star trek is a niche market, its only ever going to put a certain number of bums in seats. It made a huge profit. real, cold hard physical cash you can stick in a bank.
people are free to love or hate the film as much as they like, but when they try to convince people that their opinion of the film (either negative or positive) is the truth like its some kind of fact, then they are just being arrogant.
I'm very good at maths thanks. My point was serious not sarcastic, I know that the rest of the world out weights the US, that's what I said.
Star Trek has fans even in Russia (dunno about China ...im sure PWE is a fan lol ).TOS has russian fans.Imagine that in the 60s.At that moment was not possible.US was years ahead of the rest of the world.
but there is no need EVER for on screen sex or nudity in trek
I agree (and with your previous comment about there being no need for sex scenes in any movies* (other than pornographic) as they simply disrupt the story**
Originally Posted by sollvax
The "sexual revolution" was put down Vulcans do not "Flirt" nor do they harrass their students
Precisely. I think one of the most interesting relationships shown in Trek, was in TNG, between Doctor T'Pan and Doctor Christopher. I say one of the most interesting, as the behavior of Vulcan females, is not exactly in keeping with the biological urges of most Human males, and theirs was clearly 'a marriage of the minds', and Dr Christopher clearly embraced a Vulcan lifestyle, as shown by his choice of clothing... The scene in Friends where Pheobe is attempting to 'seduce' Chandler to uncover his relationship with Monica is about as close to Vulcan foreplay as one can realistically expect to see
"I am going to kiss you now, wife."
"That would be agreeable, husband"
"I shall enjoy our lovemaking"
"As will I..."
The exception being the threeway in American Psycho (once Sussidio starts playing) as that is just hillarious due to Patrick's narcissism.
The lovescene in Highlander between Connor and Brenda probably being the best example I can think of...
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my resume, after reading through this thread: You can not make a movie for star trek fans...
1.) not all star trek fans have the same taste in movies
2.) You can't bring back the cast of TNG or TOS, so you are screwed already from the start, because the cast will most likely be refuted by the fans.
3.) If you manage to make a movie in the spirit of the old movies like khan etc...you will not find a studio to produce it, and if you manage it will most likely be a financial failure
on a related issue: sex scenes in movies or nudity...in rare occasions they enhance certain emotions and give depth to characters and their relationships or bring a certain degree of intimisy between the audience and the character...in those cases it is ok if not needed to understand the character and his followup decissions etc.
but, sex scenes are hardly ever placed in movies for those reasons...thats why they seem stupid or unnecessary. Sex in Trek? why not? if it fits the characters and the story, yes...will this ever be the case in a trek movie...doubt it.
The scene with kirk and the orion girl was hardly a sex scene anyway and in that case in order to underline kirks lady's man attitude. Too bad actually that the 2 additional scenes with that orion girl were cut, where it is made clear that kirk used her to place that program into the kobayashi maru simulation, since she was working in the simulator control room and the second scene where he apologzes to her for using her that way. Too bad it wasn't her and kirk made a complete fool of himself.